help me build the ultimate silenced hunter

[dvanncvann]

45 acp can be loaded in excess of 1200fps using 45 super brass. Note NOT for use in pistols. AR in 45 acp can run 45 super ala Olympic arms.

Originally Posted by Alleycat

http://www.mgimilitary.com/store/ind...products_id=39

http://www.pac-nor.com/ They make 458 barrels.

http://www.rockriverarms.com/index.c...ategory_id=253


You may be hard pressed to get the 45 acp up to 1050. If you are set on a AR SBR do the 458 SOCOM. Regardless of what you do, it will take time. Don't rush into it. There are 458 uppers for sell on http://458socomforums.com/index.php all the time. Call the companies ask them what their times are running. You could be one of the first to do a 450 Bushmaster. At some point you're just going to have to do some leg work and pull the trigger on this project.

[Alleycat]

http://www.tac15.com/small/
The quietest AR out there. NO TAX STAMP.

[Scoop]

Originally Posted by Rikky Lee

From my reading of where this thread is going the Contender is the obvious solution. The other option is something along the lines of a de Lisle carbine but money comes into it.

Something like this?........DeLisle Sporter SBR from Valkyrie Arms w/SWR HEMS II


or maybe this?......TC Contender With SWR HEMS II Suppressor


The Contender is more accurate. The DeLisle is a repeater. The DeLisle is a little shorter (33 inches OAL w/can VS 38 inch OAL for the TC), but the Contender is my favorite. 230 gr GDHP at 1000 fps should be potent whitetail medicine but won't get you to 200 yards without some serious elevation adjustment. Face it, at 150 - 200 yards, you better have a great rangefinder for ANY subsonic cartridge you choose. 3 or 4 yards may be the difference between a hit or a miss at 200 yards because of the trajectories. Also, if you base your expectations (for noise) on what you hear on a video over the internet, you are going to be dissappointed. There's nothing like being there when it comes to evaluating the noise level of any suppressor. My vote goes to the Contender with a quality .45 ACP can. Then sight in at 70-80 yards and keep your shots within 100-125 yards. Just my 2 cents worth. Of course, YMMV.

[redtazdog]

My vote is for a TC integral with a folding stock 44mag or 45acp
folded length 24 inches, open at 34" with 15+ inches of can
for a super quiet slammer.
or a TC in 44mag or 45acp with a 8 inch barrel and a custom fat 12
inch can that will work with a 45-70 barrel too.

[Rikky Lee]

SwampFOX - how are we tracking now? How often is a 200 yard shot going to come into play: sometimes, often or never?

Love the De Lisle but it is a 100 yard option only...

[SwampF0X]

Most shots will be well under 100 yards (probably 50 yards or less). I asked about 200 yards shots just in case a monster buck comes sniffing by. Even with a supersonic 308 win I'm hesitant to shoot past 200 yards.

If I have to go with a full sized rifle, I'd rather get an integral 77/44 or SBR my AR since I could have different uppers to swap around.

Just how quiet is an AR 458 SOCOM suppressed with subsonic ammo?
Could you shoot in the basement and no one upstairs would hear?
Shoot it outside and can't hear it inside?
Shoot it in a holler and can't hear it in the next holler?
Sounds like a .22lr in the next holler?
Something all together different?

I could probably get by with the 45acp for 85% of my hunting but I would hate to loose that extra 15% for "just in case"

The Contenders and Encores are nice but I like to have a second shot if need be, so it's out. The AR will be louder but I need to know how much louder????? Will it sound like gunfire?


swampf0x

[HUNTER2]

Internals are quiter than a screw on (qd). Most 45 cal. atach cans are not hearing safe, but there are a couple of companies that will make what you want, ie bigger is better. Liberty suppressors, Elite Iron and others do a good job...

[Rikky Lee]

Given that distance quoted I think we have gone full circle on the thread and a 300 Whisper or 338 Whisper II with suitable bullets should meet all the criteria.

[HUNTER2]

Just wondering - Has anybody ever played with the 375's? Maybe 375-08.. It is hard to beat the Whisper, but like redtazdog said about the large can. Would be quiet with a little more wt and a better shaped bullet. Lets just say a 200 yds max.. subsonic most of the drag is on the rear. Would a high bc bullet be any more effective, accurate, stable, etc., over a heavy wt 45?

[pmc]

For what laid out I am going to suggest a 308. I have hunted and killed deer with a suppressed 300 Whisper, suppressed 44 mag and suppressed 308 going back 7 seasons.
Whisper


44 mag


308


The main reason I lean toward the 308 is your 200 yard requirement. You will need to have a 1 in 9 or 10 twist to shoot 200 to 220 gr bullets. Spend the money to get really good glass with target turrets. You will then be able shoot supersonic (say 168 gr) and by dialing in extra elevation shoot subsonic (say 220 gr)

Example: My 308 is zero'd with 175 smk at 250 yds @ 2550 fps. To get to a 50 yd zero for a 180 gr RN at 1050 fps I dial in 9 MOA (36 clicks)

You may be thinking about now that is too much trouble. 2 seasons ago I had my subsonic load in and zero'd. Coming across the ridge in front of me was some does and trailing them was a buck. He hung up behind a bush about 100 yds out. I decided to switch loads quickly and dialed back down the elevation. as soon as he steped out from behind the bush I killed him.


If you did not have a 200 yard requiremnt I would say a 44 mag no question it flat out smacks them when loaded to 44 special levels. A couple of examples




Here's a video I made comparing all of them
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hq0N1LD937A

HTH

Pmc