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Old 09-26-2009, 04:33 PM
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New guy intro and 7.62x39 subsonics

Hello all,

I finally got around to getting some time to post here. I mainly started shooting my rimfire rifles the majority of the time since they are much cheaper than my centerfires but also a ton of fun as well.

I mainly spend my time over at http://www.RIMFIRECENTRAL.COM but I have been surfing the web trying to find subsonic recipes for centerfires and stumbled in this forum.

I looked into the 300 whisper but figured that I could always (maybe) get one at a later time. I thought I would try my hand with some 7.62x39 subs since I already have an SKS and MAK-90 that I could play with.

I'm waiting on the new 7.62x39 chambered FNH TSR rifle to hit the market next year but for my testing the "test bed" was my Norinco SKS.

Accuracy wasn't the biggest concern at the time but results are/were and I was rather surprised with what the SKS did. It was surprisingly accurate out to 50yrds. Well, it was hitting the water filled milk jugs anyway once I compensated for the bullet arc.

OK here are my components.

Brass- Winchester

Bullets- Lapua .308 200gr "subsonic"
Hornady .308 220gr RN
Hornady .3015 174gr FMJBT
Surplus .308 150gr M2 FMJFB

Primers-CCI Magnum
CCI Standard

Powders- IMR 4759
IMR Trailboss
Accurate 5744
Hodgdon H110

I tested both factory and Enlarged flash holes (FH's) as well as Crimped and non Crimped loads and came to several conclusions:

1) Crimping is better then non crimped.

2) The velocities jumped all over the place with the enlarged FH's when compared to the factory FH's. Crimping helped a bit but non crimped was horrible.

3) The enlarged flash holes made the brass un-usable for high velocity/pressure loads....obviously

The crimped ammo with the Factory FH's also had better consistency in velocity and accuracy over the non crimped loads with all the powders and both primers so crimped it is for future use.

Unfortunately I can't find the chrono results but that just means I get to go play on the farm again. I can say that the majority of my loads were subsonic but a few had high pressure and jammed the SKS's bolt. Yeah...that's a little TOO high of pressure.

My FAVORITE load was the 220gr bullet over 6gr of Trailboss. It was a giant CCI CB with a loud "POP" and the bullet hitting the target 50yrds away. I don't want to post anything false but I recall that it was under 1000fps.

Another fun load was the 174gr FMJBT loaded backwards with all the powder measurments I tested.

The other powders were obviously louder than the trailboss but both the 5744 and 4759 had a lot of unburnt powder. This was even with the enlarged FH and crimps.

The H110 was so-so in consistency. I'm not sure if it's due to the low powder weights, being position sensitive or both. Since I'm still learning I'll look into H110 at a later time and stick with the others.

As for future tests, I did find the Lapua D166 which is a .310 200gr FMJBT bullet so I'll be testing that ASAP. I believe it's the same bullet Lapua uses in their factory subsonic 7.62x39 loads so it will be fun to test them this fall.

I'm still looking for more recipes to try and I know that I'll be able to learn a lot from the members here.


Scott

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Old 02-14-2010, 08:43 PM
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Did you use magnum primers?

I have used enlarged flash holes but always used mag primers and didn't notice the velocity variation you are reporting.
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Old 05-02-2010, 10:18 PM
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Did you use magnum primers?

I have used enlarged flash holes but always used mag primers and didn't notice the velocity variation you are reporting.
Expatriot,

I used both Magnum and Regular primers.

I'm not sure what was going on with the velocities but once I get a chance I'll be retesting all my loads. Thinking back, the main powder I had the problems with was the H110. The finer powder laying on it's side might have been a factor but I'm not an expert at all.

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Old 05-02-2010, 10:27 PM
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Here are my subsonic loads to show the case capacity with the longer/heavier bullets.


L-R
1) 174gr .3105 Hornady FMJ-Backwards
2) 174gr .3105 Hornady FMJ
3) 200gr Lapua .308 "Subsonic"
4) 200gr Lapua D46 .310
5) 150gr Hornady .310 SST
6) 220gr Hornady RN
7) Wolf 122gr HP for comparison


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Old 05-03-2010, 10:14 PM
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I like using 9.5gr Win 296 with the Horn 220 RN. Recent boxes have more lead exposed and will not slide up the ramp in my AR. So I load the mag with Speer 200gr SP with 9.5 Win 296 to follow up with and they cycle good and have the same POI at 50 and 100 yds. These are both .308 bullets.
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Old 05-16-2010, 06:47 PM
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Hello from another RFC member. If I'm not mistaken the 7.62x39 actually uses a .311-.312 bullet. You may get better accuracy with the proper size bullets.


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Old 05-17-2010, 12:31 AM
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We've had pretty good results with 2400 and N110. In point of fact both of those work very well in the .510 as well. We had decent consistancy with H110 but only if we loaded and shot in the same day. When temps changed the performance changed, sometimes drastically. We have had problems when crimping with velocity jumping all over. Uncrimped seems to work best with the faster powders though I imagine crimping might help with the slower ones. We've been loading mostly subsonics so the faster powders are what we use. They tend to be quieter too.
As Steve noted the accuracy might be better in the SKS if you use .311" bullets though I've seen quite a number of rifles using smaller bullets with great result. A friend shoots his Enfield sniper with Sierra 175gr Matchkings and is shooting and winning in competitions. The enfield is a .311" bore and the matchkings .308" dia. Also note that the Ruger mini 30's, the Remington 799's and from what I hear the FN TSR thats on the way all use a .308 bore with the 7.62X39 so be aware. Small bullets in a bigger bore are not a safety issue but bigger bullets in a smaller bore might be.

Hope something here helps.....

Frank
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Old 05-18-2010, 12:15 PM
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As Steve noted the accuracy might be better in the SKS if you use .311" bullets

My name isn't Steve :D

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Old 05-18-2010, 03:29 PM
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Sorry Swampfox,
I thought you were Steve the Puteaux shooter who goes by the name Swampfox.....

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Old 05-18-2010, 07:54 PM
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Haha nope. There seems to be quite a few swampfox's in the shooting sports. I've seen several at different sites.

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