.223 Subsonic load question

[jarhead1086]

Subsonic .223 is also called .22 LR. Save yourself the hassel/expense and buy Aguila 60 grain SSS for your .22. Its better, cheaper, and safer.

[One Shot]

Thanks
Just a thought to use a can on my .223

[Pitt300]

Jarhead is 90% correct.
If you have an AR it's not really worth it as NO subsonic loads will cycle the action & you have to dismount rifle & manually cock it to cycle then remount & shoot. PIA
W/a bolt .223 or I have a KelTec SU16C that has a bolt handle on it w/a 20-30 round mag & it works well.
Heaviest bullets that I've gotten to stay stable are the 69g SMKs.
Tried 80g Bergers & at 25 yards @ 1050 fps they were going thru the target sideways. NO I did not have my can on it.
69g SMKs w/4.7g of TB gives me about 1040fps out of 20"AR.
Haven't clocked 16" KelTec but I know its subsonic.
This has more energy than most .22 subsonic Rimfire loads.
40g .22 Rimfire @ 1040 fps approx 78ft# @ 100 yards
55g .223 @ 1060 fps (3.2g Clays or 3.1g Tite Group) approx 114ft# @ 100 yards
60g Aguillas fall in here BUT you need a VERY fast twist barrel to stabilize
69g .223 @ 1060 fps approx 150ft# @ 100 yards

[One Shot]

Thanks. I'm going to scrap that idea.
I just got my can yesterday, and put a bunch through my .300 / .221
It was a hoot !

[JFettig]

Pitt300, what do you do with all the airspace with those loads?

Jon

[Pitt300]

Trail Boss is VERY fluffy.
W/Clays it has never been an issue & I do NOT use any fillers.
Clays & Tite Group will also work w/.308 subsonic loads.
I've never used Tite Group.

[jarhead1086]

Trailboss works great in my .308 subs. I use 10 grains with 180's from a 16 barrel. It fills the case about 2/3 full. I was worried about the 60 grain Aguila stabilizing in my slow twist .22's, but for some reason they shoot accurately in several different .22's, a pistol and 2 rifles. You can hear a noticeable difference hitting a rabbit in the skull with the 60's compared to the 40's. You are right on the bolt .223 Pitt, that is fun, but still a PITA. If I had a bolt .223 I'd keep a few subs around like I do for my .308 boltgun. American Spirit Arms makes a neat upper that cocks like a FAL from the left side that would be neat to shoot subs like a pump action in your AR if you really wanted to.

http://www.americanspiritarms.net/st...on=show_detail