help me build the ultimate silenced hunter

[SwampF0X]

Those are some fine looking Bucks you got there. Middle one is very nice.

I already have a Browning BAR in .308 win. Could I just thread it for a can and load way down? I was under the impression that the 308 case was to big for the small amount of powder needed for subsonic velocities. I was also under the impression that the 30 cal bullet would not expand at subsonic velocities, causing minimal damage especially if yardage was misjudged. (Now if a Barns X tripple shock bullet would open up at that velocity..........I'd be all over it.) I'm wanting a larger pistol type bullet to knock the crap out of a deer and cause major damage even if the shot is slightly off. I'm thinking a 45 win mag or 44 special would be just fine, but if I can throw an even heavier bullet at the same velocity with near identical trajectories....................why not? In comes the 458 SOCOM. I can modify my AR to fire the massive bullets and finally get to use some of my mags. (I bought like 10 magpull mags and I haven't even shot 200 rounds through it in over 2 years. LOL 223 is useless to me.)

swampf0x

[pmc]

I completely understand your situation about tight hunting quarters. I hunt small suburban parcels almost exclusively. As small as 10 acres and have subdivisions all around me.

DO you reload? If so then you can load 308 subsonic using trailboss powder. At subsonic velocities most 30 cal bullets do not expand. Shot placement is critical. The 44's expand some because they are HP's. If you can give up some distance the 44 is the way to go.

Knowing what I know today, this is after having killed dozens of deer with subsonics I would NOT build a 300 Whisper again. IF I needed versatility on the cheap I would use a 308. If it is a dedicated gun a 44 is the answer. One other note. Having spent THOUSANDS going down this very same road, If I had to start over from scratch I would certainly look at an encore or contender.

Pmc

[SwampF0X]

Yes I reload. I just don't like the fact that the 30 cal bullet won't expand. I seriously considering the 458 SOCOM on my AR or an intregal 96/44 lever action. I'll have to spend some time deciding what I want.

swampf0x

[dvanncvann]

Hawk makes a thin jacket bullet for the 338 spectre (300 gr I think) that will expand.

[redtazdog]

The AR 458 socom is not quiet compared to the AR's 45acp, 9mm and 300 whisper and sound loud next to a single shot or bolt gun in 300 whisper,
44mag, 357mag and the 510 whisper.
All subsonic ammo used when shot side by side.

[ol' 30-30]

I'm in the same boat but I'm leaning towards what PMC has done with a removable muzzle can (Either an AAC ti-rant or EVO45)

Good info here...keep it coming

[Rikky Lee]

Just from the hunting perspective, this is a series of videos from Norway and Sweden on using a silencer and mostly supersonic rounds. He seems to use the 6.5 x 55 as the cartridge of choice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5FCTBlJb54

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FReQH...e=channel_page

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwosL...e=channel_page

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMoKh...e=channel_page

Or the New Zealand experience with a supersonic 204.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2G8jX9xHyU4

Contrast with subsonic 223.

http://s636.photobucket.com/albums/u...rent=002-8.flv

[SwampF0X]

OK, IF I want to use my existing 223 AR magazines in my AR, what caliber options apply? 300 whisper, 6mm/223, 223 rem of coarse, 222 rem, 17 rem, and the 458 socom................anything else?

If I also want to use my existing 223 AR bolt, what are my options? 300 whisper, and of coarse 223 rem, 6mm/223, 222 rem, 17 rem.........................anything else?

Is there any room to spare 'length wise' on a AR 45acp mag? Could it be converted to shoot 45 auto mag loaded subsonic? I onlly ask because I want as much speed as possible (1050fps) and most loads for the 45 acp are closer to 900fps. With just a little bit more case capacity than a 45acp, 1050fps should be possible with 300grain bullets........at least it works out that way in my brain.

swampf0x

[Alleycat]

I say a good side charger upper and a gas cut off will give you the best of both worlds. Shoot it like a bolt gun or a semi auto. I love my Socom so I'm partial, but do what you want. I say that there won't be much difference in a locked AR and a single shot if the barrel length is the same and they have the same suppressor.

[SwampF0X]

The whole point in using the AR as a host is for a quick follow up shot if needed. If I have to give that up to be quiet..........I'm not so sure I want to go that route.

Is anything over 300 grains really necessary to smack em' hard? I use 295grain bullets in my 50 caliber muzzle loader, and it smacks em' hard. Granted the bullet is traveling a bit faster and is a larger diameter, but still..............seems to me that a 300 grain 44 or 45 caliber bullet traveling at 1050 fps would have devastating results on a deer at 100 yards or less and could be used at greater distances if you know your trajectory tables.

swampf0x