The official RENT QB's AK-47 Flat bending jig thread (Tapco Flats to Receiver)

[Quarterbore]

Regarding Cheapskate...

OK, so I supplied his name and address to the person before him that had the jig... They talk and decide to get together... you use MY JIG and TOOLS and then you have the guts to e-mail me demanding a refund....

I e-mailed you asking what gives as I thought you should have the jig and you indicated that you don't have my tools... refund your payment NOW...

Now, I hear you had used my tools to bend your flats... You did multiple flats and you are still demanding a refund for the use of MY TOOLS?

Here is the contact info of this assclown:

AKA Cheapskate
Patrick Smith
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Litchfield Park, AZ 85340
United States

Following are the e-mails:

From: "Patrick Smith" <way2cheap@XXXX.net> Add to Address Book
To: "'Kenneth Westervelt'" <quarterbore@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: Just a note to let you know you will be receiving my 555th jig soon!
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 12:27:58 -0700


Ken,

Thanks for the heads-up.

Patrick


-----Original Message-----
From: Kenneth Westervelt [mailto:quarterbore@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 6:15 AM
To: way2cheap@XXXX.net
Cc: quarterbore@yahoo.com
Subject: Just a note to let you know you will be receiving my 555th jig soon!


There is a PM on the forums at Quarterbore.net for you... The person before you is gone with the jig and it is being sent to you... Please let me know when you get it!

Ken

Then...

I got a Instant message Here on the forums on Mondy July 18th... I didn't save the PM and it seems to be lost but it said essentially I want a REFUND OF MY PAYPAL PAYMENT... So, I sent an E-mail as below... not the reply above my original e-mail...

-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Westervelt [mailto:sales@quarterbore-inc.com]
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 6:14 AM
To: fourays@xxxxxxx.xxx; way2cheap@XXXX.net; sales@quarterbore-inc.com
Subject: Who has my 555th jig and what is the status?


Please excuse me as I use your forum handles as while I have your names at home I don't have them with me here at work...

Fourays,

You had requested the name and address of the next person to use the jig on Juy 5th and I had provided you with the name and address of Cheapskate on that same data... Did you send the jig? I need that tracking number! If you did not ship the jig, please DO NOT SHIP it until we can figure this out...

Cheapskate,

You just posted in the forums that you want a refund of your payment and off the list. As long as Fourays has not shipped the jig yet I can do that but I need to know where the jig is as if you have received the jig then obviously you spoke up too late... Do you have the jig?

I need to have an update from both of you as one of the two of you should have the jig or the jig was lost between the two of you. Foruays, as per the terms you were supposed to shp with a method that provided tracking and insurance, if the jig is lost you are responsible for the replacement costs of my tools ($150).

Ken

then...

From: "Patrick Smith" <way2cheap@XXXX.net> Add to Address Book
To: sales@quarterbore-inc.com
Subject: RE: Who has my 555th jig and what is the status?
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 11:50:50 -0700


Ken,

I do not have the jig. Please refund my $20.00.

Thanks,

Patrick

From: Ken Westervelt [mailto:sales@quarterbore-inc.com]
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 1:29 PM
To: Patrick Smith; sales@quarterbore-inc.com
Subject: RE: Who has my 555th jig and what is the status?


As soon as I know where my tools are... I need to verify that they were not shipped to you and that you did not receive them... As soon as I know that I will refund your money and have the send the jig sent to someone else... If the jig is already on it's way to you, you have decided too late that you don't want to use it...

Ken

From: "Patrick Smith" <way2cheap@cox.net> Add to Address Book
To: sales@quarterbore-inc.com
Subject: RE: Who has my 555th jig and what is the status?
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 16:20:06 -0700


Ken,

I do not have your jig. I understand you may be concerned about where your property is, but lets not be mistaken that I am directly informing you that I DO NOT have, nor do I wish to recieve possession of it at this time.

It's been two weeks since I was told the jig was going to be shipped and going on 72 hours since I requested to be taken off the list. I'm willing to be reasonable, but it's pretty clear to me that I should be expecting my money or the jig shortly...either way is fine by me.

If I receive the jig postmarked as shipped on or before today, 07/19/2005 I will accept it and proceed with my end of the agreement and ship to the next user as a matter of honoring my committment to you and the fellow users down the line on the rental list.

What would you like me to do with the jig if it arrives with a postmark after today?

Let me know.

Thanks,

Patrick

Here was a PM:

19 July 2005, 10:46 AM
fourays2
Junior Member Join Date: May 2005
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Posts: 5


regarding cheapskate

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Since we live so close and he has no press he came over to my place and used the jig on Saturday. I had to leave so he stayed on at my place and bent flats. He was supposed to take the jig with him and send it on to the next guy in line, but he left the jig at my place. So I still have the jig and it's boxed up ready to go.

Quartbore, sorry I did not get your e-mail.

So I sent this...

From: Ken Westervelt
To: Patrick Smith ; sales@quarterbore-inc.com ; fourays@qwest.net ; fourays2@xxxxxxx.xxx
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 5:46 PM
Subject: RE: Who has my 555th jig and what is the status?


I was told that you have already used the jig... I talked with fourays2 and he indicated that you contacted him and went to his house and used the jig there. he also indicated that you were supposed to take the jig and ship it to the next person but you had left the jig there instead.

Are you indicating this is not correct?

Alex, am I saying anything that is not correct?

Is there some type of miscommunication here?

Ken

Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 18:09:04 -0700
From: "fourays" <fourays@xxxxx.xxx> Add to Address Book
To: sales@quarterbore-inc.com, "Patrick Smith" <way2cheap@XXXX.net>, fourays2@xxxxxx.xxx
Subject: Re: Who has my 555th jig and what is the status?


Patrick,

you were over at my house on saturday july 16th and you used the jig. You were supposed to show up at 8.30-9.00am, but you didn't get to my house until 11.00am. I let you use my press even though I had to leave. my wife tells me you left my house at about 2.00pm.I told you to take the jig with you when you left and send it on to the next person.
just to clarify matters I'll forward on Patricks e-mails to me arranging Saturdays meeting.

Alex

And then the rest of the picture....

From: Patrick Hooper
To: fourays@xxxx.xxx
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 5:28 PM
Subject: QB Jig


Hi,

I just noticed that you are listed as being in Phoenix. I'm in Litchfield Park, just West of Glendale. I'm also next on the list for the flat bending jig.

Is there any chance you and I could meet up and bend our flats? I don't have a press, but had planned on buying one specifically to do my builds...if we could meet up at your place to bend the flats it would save you the hassle of shipping to the next guy (me) and will save me the cash on a press that I'll never use again anyway.

If this sounds like something you'd be interested in doing (really just helping me out), please let me know.

My phone is; 623-XXX-XXXX

Thanks,

Patrick

and

From: Patrick Hooper
To: 'fourays'
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 5:37 PM
Subject: RE: Jig


HI Alex,

Early Saturday morning is perfect. My wife is having a 'stamping party' at her friends house just North of the 101 at 8:15, so I'll be in the area around 8:30...something like between 8:30 and 9:00 sound good?

I remember you're off the 101 and near Bell Rd up by Harbor Freight, but I'll need your actual address again. Just email the address and I'll get a map through Yahoo.

Hope the mouth isn't giving you too much trouble. See you in the AM.

Thanks,

Patrick
-----Original Message-----
From: fourays [mailto:fourays@xxxx.xxx]
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 6:57 PM
To: Patrick Hooper
Subject: Re: Jig


Hi Patrick,

how about early saturday morning or late saturday afternoon? I have an apointment downtown at noon on saturday. I would call you but I've just had some dental work done and my mouth is numb and I can't talk.

regards, Alex
----- Original Message -----
From: Patrick Hooper
To: fourays@xxxx.xxx
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 2:24 PM
Subject: Jig


Alex,

Sorry I missed you last weekend. My son deleted the file with your address info and I didn't have a number for you.

Anyway, if we can get together during the week, maybe after work or early this weekend...it would be great.

Let me know.

Thanks,

Patrick
623-XXX-XXXX