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Old 11-13-2009, 08:58 PM
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458 SOCOM: the journey begins!

Well thanks to all the discussion about the 458 SOCOM in the threads below I have had to start building one.

Have got cases, just ordered a reamer and chasing a barrel. Reloading dies and a supply of projectiles to follow.

The cases feed nicely in the AICS magazine and the Rem 700 SA.

Watch this space!
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Old 11-14-2009, 06:51 AM
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Hi,
Congratulation and good luck.
Mine might be ready by the end of the month.
Have a look on grafs.com for the dies. They sell some Lee dies for $28 which is the cheapest you will find anywhere. I paid $150 at CH4D.

Cases might be available from them as well.
Reamer from pacific tool.
Barrel from Pac-nor for exemple.
I have a 1 in 13" but most people tend to go with 1 in 14"

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Old 11-14-2009, 10:05 AM
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It must be something in the water ...I ordered a 9.3 twist from Rock Creek a few weeks back. I'd done two others prior and got rid of the AR. The Savage barrel is still around here somewhere..

Since my last effort I've acquired a 458 throating reamer and have an idea about some Lehigh brass solids that weigh 528 gr and have a calculated BC of .828

Best wishes for both your builds...be sure and post progress reports.
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Old 11-14-2009, 04:17 PM
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Far too many interesting threads on the 458 recently I think!!! not to mention that I'm loving the range of 458 projectiles already - and not yet bought any!

I'm thinking to go for an 18 - 20 inch barrel on the bolt gun.

Spook: why the 9.3 twist? More importantly - what effective range do you think we can get from the VLDs and what velocity?

ND: any differences from your perspective on the rifle twist?

What about torque at the faster twists? I'm expecting quite a twist from the rifle if I push a heavy projectile out fast.

Off to Grafs now...
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Old 11-15-2009, 04:43 PM
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Rik, Specs say 10 twist to stabilize the Lehighs but I went a little tighter ....just in case.
I'm looking for 600 yds and better with a bullet with that much BC ...1060 fps. Looking for a reason to sell my 510. The API's I was getting such a kick out of are getting hard to find in a "hand pulled" grade. The machine pulled/resized arent as accurate.
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Old 11-15-2009, 06:18 PM
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What is the advantage of the 458 over the 45-70
besides it will work in a AR platform ?
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Old 11-16-2009, 03:10 AM
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Rikky Lee: Everybody goes with 1 in 14, I decided to go with 1 in 13" just in case; it was available from Pac nor as a 3 grouves barrel as well, which is supposed to reduce initial peak pressure.

We will see the result when I shoot the gun.
For the moment I have stocked 350 gr and 400 gr Speer bullets.

redtazdog: 45/70 works well: into a single shot rifle with a falling block, or contender and encore or in a siamese Mauser.

It is a parallele wall case,with a straight column of powder, which is technicaly not as accurate as a short fat case with a shoulder (problem of alignement in the chamber, and consistency of powder burning), but that does not mean that a 45/70 can not perform well at 1000yards. Proof is in the good results that some guys get into their falling block rifles (with sometime a lot of tweaking!).

The 45/70 has too much powder capacity compared to the 458 socom, which can give inconsistency in powder placement in the case and variation in velocities when loaded subsonic. An alternative would be to use the 45 silhouette, which is a 45/70 case trimmed down to reduce its case capacity.

Also, there is another cartridge , the 458 1"1/2 that can have the same purpose, but with a magnum bolt face required and again ,it is a straight wall cartridge.

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Old 11-16-2009, 03:38 PM
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ND: you took the words out of my mouth wrt the 45/70.

Just about to order some reloading dies - I read some so-so comments about the Lee set but that one does have a belling die for lead projectiles. Otherwise the Hornady dies seem to be in stock - but a 2 die set only.

Any advice from the 458 socom reloaders before I put my money down?
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Old 11-16-2009, 07:22 PM
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Ahhh then 458 socom it is
I have been wanting to do a bolt action or TC integral with
a 458 cal bullet but couldnt make up my mind.
A single shot should be much quieter than my AR I hope.
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Old 11-16-2009, 09:03 PM
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The last time I was working with the 458 Socom I was shooting these 525 gr (I think) swaged lead bullets.
What was most surprising was how much deeper they penetrated than 300 whisper and how much more devastating they were on cinderblock targets at distance.
Since building the 338 and 510's I never shoot the 300 anymore.
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