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Old 09-24-2006, 11:44 PM
spmorgan spmorgan is offline
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Hi Kurtz,
I just finished building a 300/221 on a weatherby vanguard action, it has a 20" MAB barrel with 1:8 twist and has a Boyds thumbhole stock finished in oil and it is a lovely rifle. The actions are very strong and cheap and at the moment I am testing it with 220g soft points for subsonic and 125g ballistics tips for supersonic which are running about 2200fps. Great to look at and even better to shoot. Shane
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Old 09-25-2006, 09:45 PM
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Show us some pictures if you can.

Thanks.
ND
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Old 09-26-2006, 12:31 AM
kurtz kurtz is offline
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spmorgan, thanks for the info on the vanguard/howa action....sounds like a really great project....if you have had a chance to shoot many of the 125s please let me know the load data...bullet/charge/accuracy....I think I have decided to move in one direction for right now with my 300 whisper project...super-sonic....I ended up buying a CZ527 .223 varmit over the weekend as the base for my 300 whisper project....started taking it down today to re-barrel the action....hope to have it ready to go in a few weeks depending on barrel delivery time....
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Old 09-26-2006, 04:11 AM
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Kurtz, I have only test fired the 125g ballistic tips to work out my velocities, havnt hunted with them yet. I have been using Adi powders which are Australian, (where I am from) the one being AR 2205, its the fastest handgun powder they make. I started at 17.2g which was about 1980fps and worked my way up by .1g to 17.6g which is averaging about 2200fps with no signs of pressure on the primers. Im happy with that even though I could probably load a bit hotter if I wanted but that satisfies me. I tried to upload a photo but it keeps going to big and Im having troubles reducing it, I will keep playing and see what I can do. Still working on my subsonics, started at 9.5g which was around 760fps and worked up to 10.3 which is averaging between 1040 & 1150fps so Im still playing with the loads and bullet seating. The subs are 220g soft points. I have been using cci450 magnum primers for both subs and super loads with no problems. Shane

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Old 10-09-2006, 05:05 PM
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.........but what I am not sure of is how much accuracy potential you will lose by spinning 125gr bullets that fast. If you're just wanting to shoot deer out to 150 yards it may be a moot point, but like I said, I'm not sure.

Based on the general rule that you don't want to spin a bullet any faster than necessary to stabilize it, the light bullets in a fast twist barrel will push the limits considerably, but let's all see what kind of info comes back and we'll learn together. Good luck, X
I'm using 125 gr Nosler BT's over 18.5 gr of H110 in my 6.5-twist PacNor barrel and getting better than 3/4 MOA. Usually right at half MOA. This load averages 2300 fps in this barrel. Go figure.
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Old 10-29-2006, 09:26 AM
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Kurtz,
couple of things. First, just found your PM (a couple of months late), did not even know about them, sent one back a couple of days ago. I go out all the time to try to get my 300-221 tuned up for hunting so I would guess you go to a different range. There is a third one of us that I know of in Lake Charles who shoots the round, so maybe one day we can meet at the range and trade info.

I have two ARs in the round. The first one has a 1:10 twist and is shooting less than MOA, but 18.2 gr of H110 behind a Nosler 125 ballistic tip is max, at just over 2100 fps. The other one has an Olympic Arms upper with a 1:8 twist, and that one is giving me fits. It was shooting patterns more than groups with the 125 gr bullets. I finally got it to shoot barely 1 1-2 inch groups with 18 gr H110 and a 130 gr SSP bullet. I guess that twist may like heavier bullets. I have loaded some 150 and 180 gr bullets, but have not had a chance to try them yet, work seems to get in the way of my hobbies.

I was hunting last weekend with the 300-221. We have a Texas level 2 Managed Land Deer Permit which allows us to take whitetail deer early. I shot five deer and two pigs with it, all one shot kills. The first deer shot in the chest ran 150 yards or so, the next four I shot in the neck because I am not very good at tracking wounded deer. One of the pigs was 95 pounds, shot through the shoulders and dropped on the spot. I have not recoved any bullets, but there was an exit wound on a smaller pig. It was shot at about 80 yards and after travelling about 16-18 inches including hitting the spine there was only a small exit wound, so I am not sure there is any expansion of the 125 gr ballistic tip. The exit wounds on the neck shots were a little over an inch.
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Old 10-29-2006, 09:58 PM
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thanks for all the supersonic load info guys....I'm still working on the bolt rifle (waiting for the barrel)....patwa, I sent you a PM about the range and my contact#....I got my 300 AR project finished but time at work has cut into my shooting time.....when I get pictures taken and load info field tested I'll post them....my AR project ended up being a SSK/DPMS with a 16" 1:8 barrel with and a SSK can....
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Old 12-20-2006, 12:21 AM
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? about twist

Rebarreling a Savage/striker pistol to a 300 whisper, I know the 8 twist is Ideal but I found a 14 twist, Will this work at 15 1/2"? Thanks a Newbie
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Old 12-21-2006, 07:54 PM
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700 x you got it

7oo is right on the money resize your .223 before you cut them down i wish thie web site was around in 1995 when i got my first whisper
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