What scope do you use for .300 Whisper?

[Code Red]

A combonation of Army and Navy Special Forces taught me all that I know and I am willing to learn all that I can and share all that I know. I am new to quarterbore and figured I would say HI.

[Wrangler]

So, you are familiar with the military version of the Remington 700 sniper rifle in 308 I assume.

[Code Red]

Yes, the M24 and the M40. I prefer the M24, I like the feel of the stock, it is more comfortable to use.

[Wrangler]

I always wondered why they would change a good thing but I guess it is just a matter of personal choice.

[keith__davis]

I started with a leupold scope 3.5x10x40 mil-dot first focal plane M3 knobs, MOA clicks not .25 MOA clicks because of the big drop of the 300 whisper, worked up my loads one 150gr supersonic (2200 FPS) and a 240gr subsonic (1050 FPS). I worked up all my data via my RCBS and Seirra programs. Than had Premier Reticle cut me a cam Knob for the scope with the supersonic data on the bottom have and subsonic data on the upper have. The two data is off set to line them up. So i can have a gun zeroed and cam for supersonic than add silencer and jump up to the subsonic data and turm cam to range and now zeroed for subsonic, than take silencer go back to supersonic ammo and turn range on lower half of cam to range and zeroed again for supersonic ammo. Works great i drop a PVS 22 in the front of the scope and than I'm ready for the night. Only point i would say is, with range having to be right on with the subsonic loads go with the first focal plane scope to make milling easy on you for those shorter ranges, I for one use lazer range finder but you always don't have time. Also don't kid yourself in subsonic loads limit yourself to 300 meters. The leupold scope i use has 56 MOA in one full turn that will get you well pass 300 meters but i limit myself to 300 meters and it is broken down into 25 meters marks. This can be easily done with any scope with target knobs and don't have to have premier reticle do it. I have worked up the data and printed it out on paper with my Cad program and used clear scotts tape to put it on my knob, than just zero and than loosen the knob and line up range you zeroed at and your zeroed. Hope this helps

[GlockandRoll]

Originally Posted by Code Red

I use a Shepherd 6x18 V2 on my suppresed .308 sniper rifle. It has a dual reticle rang finding and bullet drop compensating system that works for both super and subsonic loads. It is set up for the supersonic loads but with a day on the range you can sight in your rifle with the sub ammo and only have to adjust for windage. Keep a log book of what range circle to use for your hold over and you can quickly switch between sub and supersonic ammo with no loss of zero. I have placed many shots at 1000+ meters with M118LR ammo and many shots with 170gr sub ammo at 400+ meters useing this scope. I plan on useing a Shepherd 3x10 P2 on my 300 whisper. You can get this scope that is calibrated for the 7.62X39 wich has identicle ballistics to the 300 whisper for supersonic loads. Check them out at www.shepherdscopes.com

Shepherd scopes are garbage... the concept is great but they just don’t hold up well. I have had 2 and their customer service and reliability failings are the reason that I don’t recommend using them. I had one that had to be re-zero'd every 5th shot. It couldn't even take the abuse of the .308. They don’t have any idea what it takes to build a tactical scope and even though, it is a great concept, the hold-over only works as an estimation ONLY and it still does no good if you don’t have the scope level... and since there isn't an internal one like the SA Govt models, it's really difficult.

For what they cost, I think you would be better off with an SWFA Super Sniper, I've got a 16x and 10x side parallax model and love them... in fact I was surprised at how well the 16x looked at 400 yard steel compared to my leupy 6.5x20 Mk4 LR/T scope, and it's nearly 1/3rd the price.

Learn how to use the Mil-DOT method, and spend some time away from a range, on open range, trying to plink at 600-800-1100 yards, etc. You’ll find out how important a bubble level on your scope base and a quickly adjustable windage knob is.

Navy seal my arse~

[Code Red]

Hello GlockandRoll.
I never said that I was a Navy Seal; just raised by one. I was in the Army and also trained with the Navy Seals. As far as the Mil Dot goes, they are tried and true but very slow if you don't have a second person working out the calculations for range and hold over. I have no problem with them at all. As far the the Shepherd being garbage that is just a matter of opinion. I have used them in the field and never lost zero. It has functioned without a problem in temperatures from -15 to +130. My rifle has been banged around and I have never had a problem with the scope. The only thing that I wish it did have was a side focus. Just like anything that you buy, you will have better luck with one over the other and everybody will make a lemon now and again. I could sit here and tell you horer stories about Leupolds M3A that are standard on the M24 and problems that I have had with them but is doesn't make them junk. At a cost of $1300 for the M3A compared to $700 for my V2, I have had better results from my Shepherd. As far as a bubble level on your scope and or base I totaly agree with you. It will save you a lot of trouble and headache if you have them. I have no experiance with the Super Sniper scope so I can't say much about them, just that I have not heard anything bad about them. I have heard that they are fairly inexpensive for what you get.

[keith__davis]

Code Red, Glockandroll call you on it about the navy now i will on the army, what special forces training and what trouble have you had with the M3A, the only problem i have ever seen with a M3A is untrained people screwing with it, and what was your class number for SFQC and Group ??

[Code Red]

Hey Keith.
I have had a M3A take minor but a typical side impact and had the elevation recticle let loose at a very inopportune time. I have also seen all three of the turrets wear out, mostly the focus. I chalk it up to being used a lot and just some defective parts. Not that they are junk because they are not, just like I said that all people sometimes make a lemon. I have used them and other scopes and I have my preference. As far as training I said that I was traind by both Army and Navy SF. I was not part of a team. I was part of a SF experiment in the Amy. I worked with them and as one of them but I was not designated as a SF soldier. I had not completed Robin Sage so there for I was not a Green Beret and do not claim to be. My father was a Navy Seal. He was a sniper for IUWG 1/3 SEACOBRAS. He served three tours in Nam and was ranked as the Navy's top sniper in Viet Nam. I spent 10yrs training with my father and his team members.
You seem to know about SFQC and its workings so what is your storie?
I would love to chat more about it, my e-mail is cody.e.smith@us.army.mil if you are interested.