Need Input On My New 300 "whatever" Rifle

[rsilvers]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXoNE14U_zM

[ohnomrbillk]

Originally Posted by rsilvers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXoNE14U_zM

"Oftentimes, to win us to our harm,
The instruments of darkness tell us truths;
Win us with honest trifles, to betray us
In deepest consequence."
William Shakespeare, Macbeth

[ohnomrbillk]

Originally Posted by rsilvers

It is actually not uncommon though the error is usually less than 0.015. Many makers do not know where the gas port hole is supposed to be. Some of them just measure an existing barrel the best they can, and go with that. The problem is worse for gas-blocks, with I would say most makers putting the hole in the wrong location - confused by copying the M16 front sight gas block, which expects the forearm-holding metal end to be there as a shim between the gas block and the barrel. But with rails, that does not apply. This is an example of something I have commented on before, about how few gunsmiths make proper use of drawings and why I like products that are designed by Engineers and made by actual machinists (who are best to *not* be gunsmiths).

"A man once defined hell as a place where there is no reason. And you just dragged me into hell."
-Michael Savage

[ds762]

Originally Posted by rsilvers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXoNE14U_zM

we can't handle the truth about how you stole someone else's cartridge and then call it your own???

Originally Posted by ohnomrbillk

"A man once defined hell as a place where there is no reason. And you just dragged me into hell."
-Michael Savage

and a HUGE +1 to that!

seriously Silvers .. give it a f*cking rest .. we are tired of listening to your AAC propagandist bullsh*t.

[rsilvers]

It is just stuff that I have learned over the years that would have helped me if I knew before.

This is not about AAC - it is the same difference between an AI rifle and a 'custom sniper rifle.'

[BWE Firearms]

Robert,

I do not like to get involved in things like this but enough is enough. I will agree with you that there is a good number of so called gunsmiths that don't have a clue but there is also the same number of engineers that couldn't figure their way out of a wet paper bag. I am the first to admit that I am not an engineer but if I as a gunsmith am as stupid as you think gunsmiths are why do I have a large number of engineers in the firearms industry, aerospace industry among others that call me for help with various projects and they have helped me with projects I have had questions on. I have been surprised on numerous occasions that firearms engineers have not known certain dimensions or information that is common knowledge to most good gunsmiths. I have also seen engineers design things that cant be made how they have designed them.

Plain and simple gunsmiths are gunsmiths not engineers and engineers are engineers not gunsmiths. We both work differently because what we do is different. An engineers designs a firearms from a piece of paper and a gunsmith fixes that firearm when something is wrong with it.

From your statement you want gunsmiths to not only be master gunsmiths but master machinists and engineers. They may all overlap each other but they are all different trades with different ways of approaching the same problem. I don't know of anyone who is a master of all trades. I would love to be a master of all three but I am not. I am a Master Gunsmith and I am trying to become a master machinist and engineer but it will be a long time before I will be satisfied with what I know.

The question I have is if gunsmiths are so stupid why did you come to us for information on the Whisper so you could design the Blackout? When you make statements like you have it makes you look like a arrogant ass and I don't think that is your intension.

[Hoser]

Originally Posted by rsilvers

This is not about AAC - it is the same difference between an AI rifle and a 'custom sniper rifle.'

I have a few of them AI rifle things. I just got done getting a new zero on my AX in 243. I sold the cute little 20 inch factory tube.

Without a doubt I dont consider them a custom rifle. Just an off the rack rifle with a custom barrel. Well, not 100% true. My AI in 338 still has the factory barrel.

[i8asquirrel]

The gunsmith I use is a master machinest. Thats why his work is so good. I also like the fact that he is a competive shooter so he Knows what real accurate rifle should be able to do.....

[rsilvers]

I don't expect gunsmiths to be machinists or engineers, or machinists or engineers to be gunsmiths. Quite the opposite. They are each good at what they do and specifically they are not interchangeable.

So if you want to fix a gun, then use a gunsmith. If you want a part made to a drawing, then use a machinist.

Where we seem to disagree is when one picks one over the other. You would probably say that if you want a barrel threaded, to use a gunsmith. I would want it done to a drawing, so I would use a machinist.

You are a gunsmith and a machinist, so you quality for both.

[ds762]

Robert,

Since you are so damned concerned about "spec" .. care to comment on the issue with a gentlemen's Remington/AAC SD whatever rifle listed here :

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=20&t=337480

Sounds to me like Remington f*cked up the threads here and told the guy to pound sand.

I'm waiting for your reply.