Best Bullet Weight

[Malaga]

Originally Posted by Scoop

I'm willing to do the testing. I aready have plenty of your 150 gr Flat point bullets (I load them in .308 Subsonic for use in 12-twist barrels). I'll just need a general protocol and the gelatin. What say the group?

Thanks for voluntering to do the testing...really interested to see how this comes out...

[Colohunter]

Originally Posted by BerrysMFG

Since I don't have access to a 300 Whisper, how about if I supply 100 of our 150gr bullets and a tube of ballistic gelatin to one of your members who would be willing to load and test for all of us to see. I will leave it up to this forum to pick a member to run the test and provide us with loading data and images of the gelatin results. I have a Bullet Test Tube sitting behind my desk and I would like to see what our 150gr FP does pushed through a Whisper.

As a note, I have some of these bullets that I load in a 30-30. I tried loading some dummy loads in my whisper thinking that they would be an inexpensive plinking bullet. In my AR they would not feed from the magazine. They would jam on the magazine or the feed ramps. The front meplat was a little too wide to work. Hopefully if you design a round for the Whisper specifically it would have a little more of a point to it.

[ohnomrbillk]

Originally Posted by Rikky Lee

Jay

Looking forward to your comments on what is practical from a manufacturing point of view. I think, to summarize comments so far, we want everything:

a. a very heavy bullet (220 to 250 grains)

b. with a hollow point that expands at low velocity

c. that feeds in a semi auto

For me, the reason I like the Whisper concept, is that tumbling factor. Noting that a 1/8 twist barrel in theory causes the 240 grain Sierra MKs to tumble after hitting something, would a rear heavy subsonic bullet at 250 grains do the same thing? And would a long, small diameter hollow point assist in making that projectile unstable at subsonic velocities?

Well Put. +1

[BerrysMFG]

Originally Posted by Colohunter

As a note, I have some of these bullets that I load in a 30-30. I tried loading some dummy loads in my whisper thinking that they would be an inexpensive plinking bullet. In my AR they would not feed from the magazine. They would jam on the magazine or the feed ramps. The front meplat was a little too wide to work. Hopefully if you design a round for the Whisper specifically it would have a little more of a point to it.

I have a die that I might be able to RE-Strike the flat points in to make a spire point out of them. I'm going to try to hand strike them and see what I come up with. That should take care of the feeding problems in the AR platform.

[Colohunter]

Originally Posted by BerrysMFG

I have a die that I might be able to RE-Strike the flat points in to make a spire point out of them. I'm going to try to hand strike them and see what I come up with. That should take care of the feeding problems in the AR platform.

That would be nice. I would definitely like to try those out. I use 150gr bullets as a plinking load. It would still be nice to have a heavier bullet though. One of the main reasons I use the 150gr bullets in the Whisper is they are a whole lot cheaper than most of the 200+ bullets that are out there.

If you could come out with a 220gr+ bullet in the $150/1000 range like you mentioned, could see that easily becoming a do all bullet for some shooters, like me. There wouldn't be a need to buy cheaper FMJs for practice and expensive 220gr bullets for huntining if you provided an inexpensive heavy bullet that performs well on game at subsonic velocities. I know that may be a lot to ask, but I think you guys have a good chance of doing it.

[AfricanJerry]

I would be in for some 220 grn for sure. Im using Sierra RN 220 at the moment at $28 a hundred. Im thinking about buying some 175 grn ball ammo from Wideners. This looks like one of the best bullets for the money I have found for plinking. Im still having some cycling issues from my M1S upper and I dont think any thing lighter would work.. However Im waiting on my can to get approval and I think this will fix the problems. It's just right on the edge of working all the time..
But I would be interested in some bullets when you get them cranking. 220 grn - Big HP - still feeds great from a AR 15 - small BT would help for loading - Thin jacket might help expansion - and most of all cheap.. LOL !!
Tall order I know.. Good luck

[Garrett]

Awesome. I'd be in for one or two thousand. My Whisper is on a single-shot, so bullet profile isn't as important to me. But since there are a lot of AR15 .300 Whisper owners, feeding in an auto is going to be a determining factor in whether or not the bullets sell well.

I'd like to see them sell so that this becomes a regular or semi-regular production item.

[GaryM]

Ooh, very interesting...
I occasionally shoot 200gr cast gas check (Lee mold) from my whisper but never with the can attached. I believe a plated bullet would take away my worries.
A 220-250 (maybe even heavier? I can dream can't I?) with whatever point it would take to keep from deforming in an autoloader (AR15 based) Just make sure it can be used in a standard AR16 magazine when loaded with a subsonic charge. I don't think a boat tail would be needed since at subsonic velocity the difference in drag/ballistic coeffecient would be insignificant.
Maybe a truncated cone? it would give a strong tip and acceptable ballistics. A pointed tip would be great for targets but not as good for hunting. Hollowpoint would be awesome but how would it affect the price and accuracy? Roundnose, well, they are out there and they are used but are only popular because there ain't much to choose from on the cheap end of the bullet scale.

[hugginsvilleH&A]

sounds to good to be true but I will be keeping an eye on this thread if it happens to be true I would give them a try, if I like the price I would buy ALOT

[Fritzcat]

I am with GaryM on the request.