Subsonic deer hunting question

[One Shot]

He is using a can, shooting in town at night.

[JFettig]

Regarding MPG, I wouldn't eat an animal thats been shot with these, Its powdered metal, its not lead but its other stuff, copper, tin, and who knows what else.

I realize he probably isn't shooting them for meat, just something I thought I'd bring up.

I think if twas me, I'd shoot them in the back of the head, or spinal area back there, that aught to take them down quick?

Jon

[Titleiiredneck]

An idea my buddy and I have is to take some 200 gr rn and make them hollow point in my mill. If we can make them the same weight from pill to pill then this may create awesome expansion we just have to keep then between 185-190 gr with a cone shaped hole

[LouBoyd]

Has your friendly Leo actually chronographed his loads? That sounds more like the perfomance you'd get at under 500 fps. If he's using a long barrel rifle and just calculated the muzzle velocity or used a manufacturers "specs" without accounting for bore friction that may be what he's getting.

[jackdm]

Is he using match bullets? Both your ricochets and his (over) penetration with little bleeding are classic results of match bullets. Try using a heavy hunting style bullet that will expand at lower velocities.

[300mag-hunter]

The whisper should be plenty effective on deer. I have a 22lr rifle with a 17" barrel and a suppressor. I usually bring it along deer hunting in case I see a varmint run by. I use subsonic 30gr hollow points in it. This past season I had a very large doe that my dad wounded run in front of me and stop about 45 yards away. I could tell it was hit, but looked like a liver/stomach shot, a little too far back. Rather than have it suffer and die slowly, I grabbed the 22and shot it right in the side of the head, instant kill. Rolled over and feet up in the air. Subsonics do have a tendency to ricochet. But it sounds more like a bullet placement problem. If they are facing him just shoot right below the head, in the neck. Or in the eye socket. The front and top skull, on animals is pretty tuff. I've know officers that get called to a car cow accident and they have shot a cow 5+ times in the head at less than 10 feet away with a 40 S&W and the bullet would ricochet every time. Back up showed up and finished it off with a 12 guage slug. All that needed to be done was shoot it in the lower part of the back of the head rather than the front. Might also consider super sonic loads, my 300 wisper with the can on is quieter with super sonic loads than a 17hmr without a can. Just some ideas to try.

[hugginsvilleH&A]

my 17 hmr sounds like a freakin 30'06 , man that thing is LOUD