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Old 10-19-2006, 01:30 PM
Cornholio Cornholio is offline
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320pf posted some data above.
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Old 10-19-2006, 11:46 PM
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Old 10-22-2006, 12:12 AM
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Originally Posted by 320pf
Scollins,

Did you read the recommendation that I posted carefully?

"Also a warning! DO NOT USE H110 for subsonic loads or powder charges less than those listed in the Sierra reloading manual!"

I did not say;

"DO NOT USE H110 for subsonic loads"

I said;

"DO NOT USE H110 for subsonic loads or powder charges less than those listed in the Sierra reloading manual!"

I believe that this is sound advice to give someone new to reloading his own ammo. It is also sound advice for anyone reloading no matter what the experience level.

Finally, the velocities given for loads listed in the Sierra manual are all out of a 10 in. barrel. I have found that I typically get 100 to 200 fps more than the listed velocity from my 16 in. barrel.

320pf
I did read it carefully. It says "DO NOT USE H110 for subsonic loads OR powder charges less than those listed in the Sierra reloading manual." The choice and placement of the word *OR* in your statement means "DO NOT USE H110 for subsonic loads." Everything after the *OR* is a different statement or condition, and totally separates itself from the initial statement before the word *OR*.

If you meant to convey that H110 can be used with subsonic loads, but with certain conditions, your statement should read "DO NOT USE H110 for subsonic loads WITH powder charges less than those listed in the Sierra Reloading manual." You could also phrase it as "DO NOT USE H110 for subsonic loads UNLESS you are at or above the minimum powder charges listed in the Sierra Reloading Manual."

My personal opinion is that noobies to reloading shouldn't be messing around with wild cat catridges, even one with a lot of commercial data like the 300 Whisper, 300/221, 300 Fireball or whatever you want to call it. There are diffferences in chamber reamers used by the various barrel makers and that can cause problems. There are different die manufacturers, and there are differences in their dimensions. I use Redding Dies in a Randall Rausch barrel, with brass from Davis that is formed from Redding Dies. It works well in my rifle.

Also, building subsonic loads is a different process than what most reloading manuals suggest for standard loads, which is start low and work UP. With subsonic, you want to start near maximum and work your way DOWN, not the other way around. The person in the Fiesty Rooster link should have started with his higher loads first, then worked down until he got the velocity he wanted. Had he done that, he might not have split his barrel.

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Old 10-22-2006, 01:12 AM
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Scollins,

You are correct! I should have used "with" not "or". My bad.

I also agree with your sentiment that people new to reloading should start with a standard cartridge before venturing into the wildcat realm.

I am using Redding Dies including the trim/forming die as well. I have made 200 rounds from unfired 221 FireBall brass and 200 rounds from unfired winchester 223 brass. I have recently tried about 75 pieces of brass from Davis.... I am probably going to stop making my own brass and just buy brass from Davis.

I am running a 16 in. Olympic Arm barrel with the gas port in the pistol position. I had Randall Rausch thread and slightly re-profile the barrel so I could install and JP Enterprise Bennie Cooley compensator and a JP Enterprise low profile adjustable gas block.

What is the the barrel set-up that you are running?

I am mostly interested in supersonic loads that make/exceed the IPSIC power factor of 320 (bullet wt X vel./1000). Currently the loads that I have that make the 320 power factor are:

16.5 gr H110 behind a 180 SPBT sierra GameKing at 1827 fps
16.5 gr Lil'Gun behind a 180 SPBT sierra GameKing at 1840 fps
16.5 gr H4227 behind a 180 SPBT sierra GameKing at 1792 fps

I am now working up 165 gr and 155 gr bullets. Randall ran some QUICKLOAD models for me and it looks like that the 155 g (PALMA) is the lightest bullet that I can use to make the 320 power factor.

Any way... I was wondering if I have Randall make a barrel in either 18 or 20 inches... can I get 150g bullets over 2133 fps to make power factor
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Old 02-17-2008, 11:25 AM
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I use H110 for subsonic loads using 240 grain SMKs. My particular carbine settled on 9.9 grains of H110 for 1005 FPS. It cycles fine (not violently) and ALL my brass lands in a nice little pile 3 feet to my right and 3 feet back.
Hello Scollins

I'm a Swiss user and i'm a newbie on reloading ammo.
I have a .300whisper-DSC upper with 16"-barrel and gas port position in carbine lenght. I don't know the gas port diameter and the gas tube/gas block are not adjustable. Unfortunately the only currently available .300whisper-ammo in Switzerland is the RUAG Swiss P with 220 grains, but this combination don't cycle on my .300whisper.

You wrote that your cycling subsonic load is 240grains SierraMatchKing with 9.9grains H110.
Do you think this load will cycle on my upper?
Do you mind if i ask you what OAL do you use for this and what kind of crimp?

Do you have any experience with cycling subsonic loads for 7,62x39russian?
I would try N130 due gas port position in the AKM-47, but N130 is not a very fast burning powder and i'm very scary about the danger of secondary explosion that will blow up the gun and cause heavy injury.

Best regards from Switzerland
Roberto
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Old 02-17-2008, 12:59 PM
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VV N110 is an excellent choice & I think I'm switching to that in my subsonic loads due to temperature related velocity changes w/H110.
Sierra has load data both super & sub for VV N110 & it is their recommended powder in most of their loads.
I may be wrong but I think you HAVE to put a can on the gun or there isn't enough pressure/dwell time to cycle.
That's my experience anyway.
I do know that M1S has a very light weight 300-221 buffer & spring that might cycle w/o can but I'm not sure.
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Old 02-21-2008, 12:08 PM
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I requested loads from Accurate Arms. Since it's a PDF and too large for the server limit, I can't figure how to post it. If anyone wants a copy, you can PM me. Or if somebody knows how to take the PDF and make it text so it can be posted I'd be happy to send it to you.
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Old 02-21-2008, 08:57 PM
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Here is something I found, http://stevespages.com/308p_6.html

I have gleaned it for the powders and bullets I like:

Disclaimer: If you use this and blow yourself up thats' on you. For informational purposes only... bla bla bla.

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300 whisper data

bullet powder start max

110 2400 14.1 17.1
110 H110 16.3 20.4
110 Lil Gun 16.3 20.4
110 296 16.6 20.3

125 2400 15 16.3
125 H110 14.9 19
125 Lil Gun 14.9 19
125 296 16.3 19

135 2400 15 16
135 H110 15.1 17.7
135 Lil Gun 15.1 17.7
135 296 15.6 17.9

150 2400 12.9 15.7
150 H110 13.5 17
150 Lil Gun 13.5 17
150 4227 14.4 17.4
150 296 13.2 17

168 2400 11.4 15
168 H110 11.6 15.6
168 Lil Gun 11.6 15.6
168 4227 13 15.9
168 296 11.6 15.7

175 2400 10.5 14.6
175 H110 11.4 14.5
175 Lil Gun 11.4 14.5
175 4227 11.4 15
175 296 10.9 14.9

190 2400 10.5 14
190 H110 11 14
190 Lil Gun 11 14
190 4227 12.3 14.3
190 296 11.3 14.6

200 2400 10.7 13.1
200 H110 10.7 13.2
200 Lil Gun 10.7 13.2
200 296 10.6 13.8

220 2400 10 12.3
220 H110 9.9 12.4
220 Lil Gun 9.9 12.4
220 296 9.8 12.7

240 2400 9.4 11.3
240 H110 9.6 11.5
240 Lil Gun 9.6 11.5
240 296 9.3 11.3
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