"another" .300 blk not good for hunting

[Mike Bell]

SPOOK.....You didnt break that out of spite did you??

I feel a distrurbance in the force, I do......

Anyways...........

I use the "WTF" term to mean all the 7.62x35 chambers before the BLK, usally only when Im typing it out on the internet.

I have a TP555 barrel and its a .300/221 but when speaking aloud to my cohorts, I refer to it as a whisper because they have known about the 300 Whisper story for a few years now.

But now.......and Robert will like this....... I tell them all, that its now called the 300 Blackout which standardized by AAC and a bunch of manufacturers are on board with it. Which makes getting factory ammo and building or buying guns easier and alot cheaper.

AAC is the hero and we all win ~


Personally, I think this back and forth jabbing BS is non-productive and not really worth the time to read but some of it is funny



So from this day foreward, I shall call it, trademark/copywrite and own....and I do proclaim it as now the .300 STFU!

Its official,

Later yall and on a serious note, yall be safe and have a good Christmas and Happy New years !

[Alleycat]

Does this mean that no one likes Rammstein?

[rsilvers]

Yes, I liked it.

This one has some graphic scenes so don't watch it if you have kids around:

http://video.mail.ru/mail/grigory_1960/167/508.html

[Titleiiredneck]

Originally Posted by rsilvers

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_121/5...ut.html&page=4

This is how I typically see people use the term WTF. It is hard for me to sort out the people who use it endearingly vs to denigrate it.

Dude, I coined the term on here a long time ago so if you dont like it blame me. I started the term '300wtf aka 300 what the fuck ever' for the reason they are all basically the same and arguing about that fact is pointless.

Yes you did some research on it, and yes you got mfg's on board so pat yourself on the back about it. I could care less if your feelings were hurt with the term or if you are upset that someone thinks hunting with that round is not a good thing to do. I have shot wild pigs, deer,a feral dog or two, and even a friggin alligator with the 'wtf' round. All were dead with one shot. I have shot a few 600yd comp with a 'wtf' bolt gun I had built by GAP. and won. I truly love the little round but what pisses me off is that you act like it was created by aac and all they did was copy the 'wtf' and rename it the blackout (R).

Merry what the fuck ever christmas!

[Titleiiredneck]

Originally Posted by Spook

No More 300 blk ... Monday I'm calling Kiff for a reamer thats .0005 longer in the throat and .0005 bigger in the shoulder and I'm calling it the "300 WTF."(R).

Congrats Silvers, you have persuaded probally the best gunsmith you could have ever met enough to never ream another blackout chamber again!

[rsilvers]

Originally Posted by Titleiiredneck

I could care less if your feelings were hurt

Spook - are you going to tell him the correct phrase is that he "couldn't care less?"

[rsilvers]

Originally Posted by Titleiiredneck

Dude, I coined the term ... but what pisses me off

This is the trend I have noticed - the WTF term is used primarily by people upset at the 300 BLK. Half of them are 6.8 fans, and half of them are 300-221 fans. Ok, I just wanted to be sure. Now I know where you-all stand.

[320pf]

Originally Posted by rsilvers

Before BLK, you generally had a requirement for an adjustable gas system to shoot subsonic and full power ammo in the same rifle. You also had reliability problems due to bullet/magazine compatibility. That is all fixed now - taking the concept to the next level.

This statement is not true either. ALL of the barrels that I designed and built do NOT "require" an adjustable gas system to shoot subsonic and full power ammo in the same rifle. My barrels can shoot subs with bullets as light as 165 g and supersonic loads. Typical velocities (from a 16" barrel) for a 150 gr and 125 gr bullets using loads listed in the Sierra manual is 2000 fps and 2250 fps.

Originally Posted by rsilvers

True some guys set up their guns like that, and used A1680, but others did large port and could not shoot full power ammo. With Remington making subsonic ammo, Noveske changed their port to be compatible with the new ammo, and dozens of makers standardized on this configuration.

As for loading short - that is no longer needed. I got Sierra, Barnes, and Remington to make new bullets designed for 300 BLK and meant to be loaded to full mag length.

This is/was another solution to a non problem. Any of the "long" for weight bullets like the Speer 125 TNT, Nosler 125 Ballistic Tips, Berger 115, 125,135 gr match bullets etc... can be loaded to mag length. The Speer 125 TNT and the Nosler 125 BT all expand at the 300 WTF supersonic velocities.

Below are 125 gr Speer TNT loaded to mag length in a Bets-C mag. I shot this configuration at a few 3-gun matches about 4-5 years ago. I did not have any problems! With the exception of 110 gr bullet, I have never had any problems loading to mag length.

Maybe if you had come on this site when you first released the 300 AAC Blackout and simply thanked all of the 300 WTF wildcaters/developers here and acknowledged their efforts and expressed what a valuable resource that they created for you and your company AAC, you would not be getting such a bad time from folks.

Another suggestion. It might help if you substitute "we" for "I". For example:

"We have worked with Sierra, Barnes, and Remington to make new bullets designed for 300 BLK. etc..."

This might also help.

I would like to thank you for the contribution that you and AAC have made to this cartridge.
We are looking forward to see some new products.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.

[rsilvers]

Originally Posted by 320pf

This statement is not true either. ALL of the barrels that I designed and built do NOT "require" an adjustable gas system to shoot subsonic and full power ammo in the same rifle. My barrels can shoot subs with bullets as light as 165 g and supersonic loads. Typical velocities (from a 16" barrel) for a 150 gr and 125 gr bullets using loads listed in the Sierra manual is 2000 fps and 2250 fps.

If you load the supersonic to 55,000 psi, and add a suppressor - will it or won't the full auto cyclic rate exceed Colt M4 specs? And if you shoot the subsonic without a suppressor, will or won't the cyclic rate be within Colt M4 specs? These are things we did on high speed video when setting all the specs.

[rsilvers]

Originally Posted by 320pf

This is/was another solution to a non problem. Any of the "long" for weight bullets like the Speer 125 TNT, Nosler 125 Ballistic Tips, Berger 115, 125,135 gr match bullets etc... can be loaded to mag length. The Speer 125 TNT and the Nosler 125 BT all expand at the 300 WTF supersonic velocities.

If one shoots tens of thousands of rounds, one can document statistical differences in reliability.

Thank you and Merry Christmas.

I really think you will like some of the bullets.