"another" .300 blk not good for hunting

[Alleycat]

It’s no different than Mopar guys referring to their car as a B-Body. The Charger, Roadrunner, GTX, Coronet, and Belvedere all had the same body with different trim. Most components are interchangeable. If I’m looking for a big block engine for my Charger, I would ask if anyone had a B or an RB for my B-Body. If I need a bumper for the same car, it would be for a Charger. If I say I own an F-body, Chevy guys know I have a Camaro, Trans Am or Firebird. Just because someone refers to it as 300 WTF does not mean they’re referring to only the Blackout. Most of the guys on this board don’t own a 300 Whisper, Blackout, 30-221, 300 fireball, they own several. A 125gr BT works well in all the chambering. It would be ridiculous to say that the 125 BT works well in the 300 Blackout, 300 Whisper, 30 fireball, and 30-221. Most of the things you say about the Blackout are valid. I made new brass for $0.18 a piece. I hate making brass and I don’t use mixed head stamps. The availability of the Blackout means I don’t have to if I don’t want to. Bullet technology will be better for the case. Most everything else we had before. The difference was that the mass uninformed gun buying public had no clue. When you take them into account more of your statements are valid. The Blackout is essentially the Cliff notes version of the Whisper. Some gun people are not tinkerers. The Blackout’s for them. I have one and I like it. If you love one you have to love them all. Your rhetoric seems to imply that all the 300 variants cease to exist when the Blackout was introduced. None of the Whisper owners have a problem with the Blackout. How you present the Blackout is what has bothered a few. Having a sense of humor about it may help you. You could always take Spook out for lunch sometime. Group helicopter pig hut anyone. Now it would be funny if you took the picture of you next to the helicopter an added the caption “Preparing for the airstrike on Quorterbore”. Lighten up a bit.

[Alleycat]

Originally Posted by rsilvers

Before BLK, you generally had a requirement for an adjustable gas system to shoot subsonic and full power ammo in the same rifle. You also had reliability problems due to bullet/magazine compatibility. That is all fixed now - taking the concept to the next level.

Wrong. Guys just got a small port and loaded short. Just like the Blackout. Model-1 sales guns all needed 1680 because of this. It was also common to throat them out because it was chambered in the 30-221.

[rsilvers]

Originally Posted by 320pf

I am kind of liking the 300WTF name more and more.

The reason for the 300 WTF term, at least for a few people, is to avoid acknowledging 300 BLK.

300 WTF is code for "I was using this before 300 BLK."

I know this is not everyone - others just have several chambers and need an all-inclusive term when talking about them all.

[rsilvers]

Originally Posted by Alleycat

Wrong. Guys just got a small port and loaded short. Just like the Blackout. Model-1 sales guns all needed 1680 because of this. It was also common to throat them out because it was chambered in the 30-221.

True some guys set up their guns like that, and used A1680, but others did large port and could not shoot full power ammo. With Remington making subsonic ammo, Noveske changed their port to be compatible with the new ammo, and dozens of makers standardized on this configuration.

As for loading short - that is no longer needed. I got Sierra, Barnes, and Remington to make new bullets designed for 300 BLK and meant to be loaded to full mag length.

[Alleycat]

Originally Posted by rsilvers

True some guys set up their guns like that, and used A1680, but others did large port and could not shoot full power ammo. With Remington making subsonic ammo, Noveske changed their port to be compatible with the new ammo, and dozens of makers standardized on this configuration.

As for loading short - that is no longer needed. I got Sierra, Barnes, and Remington to make new bullets designed for 300 BLK and meant to be loaded to full mag length.

And that's all good....

I hope everyone has a good Christmas. Robert, Santa got me a Ti-Rant. No hard feelings my brother.

[rsilvers]

Also there will be a jacketed lead plastic tipped bullet available to reloaders in 2012, fully optimal for mag length. Yes, have a Merry Christmas.

[Spook]

No More 300 blk ... Monday I'm calling Kiff for a reamer thats .0005 longer in the throat and .0005 bigger in the shoulder and I'm calling it the "300 WTF."(R).

[rsilvers]

The new generation of bullets offer some benefits - the UMC is able to be loaded as long as 5.56mm ammo, as we did a large radius ogive designed to contact the magazine just right. Also, the reason it can be so long (to fill the mag to keep the rounds from sliding around, and to have a higher BC) and still be just 115 grains is the air pocket in the noise, like the Russian 7N6 bullet:

http://www.300blktalk.com/forum/view...?f=151&t=78183





The bullet is made like an OTM - sealed at the bottom, but then the nose is struck closed. The Sierra 125 Match is also like this. As well as two others due very soon, and then four more due later in 2012.

[rsilvers]

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_121/5...ut.html&page=4

This is how I typically see people use the term WTF. It is hard for me to sort out the people who use it endearingly vs to denigrate it.

Originally Posted by 346ci

The WTF for hunting? Now you have really lost your onion. Might be great for hitting steel or paper, if you are used to shooting mortars.

[Spook]

Originally Posted by rsilvers

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_121/5...ut.html&page=4

This is how I typically see people use the term WTF. It is hard for me to sort out the people who use it endearingly vs to denigrate it.

...the truly amazing thing is this thread hasnt shown you that how you typically see anything doesnt matter much.