"another" .300 blk not good for hunting

[Alleycat]

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[320pf]

Originally Posted by rsilvers

Why do you guys call 300 BLK 300 WTF? The final SAAMI standard is established and has arrived. The final name is known. It is 300 AAC Blackout.

It has picked up the moniker 300 WTF because this cartridge has gone by many different names (300 Whisper, 300-221 Fireball, 300 Fireball, 7.62x35mm, etc…). AAC just happen to add one more (300 AAC Blackout), enough to sort of "break the camels back". So those of us that have been shooting this cartridge for quite awhile have just given up trying to keep up with all of the different names so now it is just called the 300 WTF.

I personally think that the 300 AAC Blackout is a lousy name for several reasons.

First, it is too long of a name hence another reason that we call it the 300 WTF.

Second, AAC should have done a little bit of market research on the name. The name "300 AAC Blackout" sounds like a name a pimply face mall ninja kid would come up with or a slang name for a drug that a dorky college kid would put in a girls drink… think ruffy.

You probably should have gone with a simple name like "300-221 Fireball". Similar to how Remington went with the name 25-06.

Get used to it. It seems to have "stuck"

[rsilvers]

Originally Posted by 320pf

First, it is too long of a name hence another reason that we call it the 300 WTF.

It is called 300 BLK for short.

[rsilvers]

Originally Posted by 320pf

You probably should have gone with a simple name like "300-221 Fireball". Similar to how Remington went with the name 25-06.

If we did, then people would shoot it in chambers marked 300-221 or 300 Fireball, and that may raise pressures. A new name was needed.

[Dacapster]

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[320pf]

Originally Posted by rsilvers

It is called 300 BLK for short.

Oh great, yet another name for the same cartridge! I think that I will just stick with the "300 WTF"

Originally Posted by rsilvers

If we did, then people would shoot it in chambers marked 300-221 or 300 Fireball, and that may raise pressures. A new name was needed.

Well most of us that were shooting the 300 WTF had managed to get it worked out before AAC came around the "set us straight". We all just went with the 221 Fireball necked up to 30 cal. This shot well in SSK barrels and in the barrels marked "300-221 or 300 Fireball".

I suspect that you are going to tell us about the "longer" throat of your chamber but by your own arguments that you have made about the 6.8 SPC vs the 6.8 SPCII chambers over on the 68 forums the longer throat only drops pressure by about 2000-4000 psi. I have shot factory 300WTF in all of my 300WTF uppers and the velocities are all within about ±30 fps of my hand loads. My load data are from the Sierra and Hornaday manuals so they are not crazy hot loads.

As far as the price of upper and ammo and ammo components going down, your argument is not very compelling. I bought my first complete 300 WTF upper for $450 in 2007 and have built and sold about 10 since then. Ultimately, the cost depends on the components that go into making the upper. A Noveske barrel alone sells for about $350-$400.

The price that you give for brass at $1 each is not correct either. I was selling brass for about .30 each and I think that Hoser was selling it for less than that.

I am kind of liking the 300WTF name more and more.

[martineta]

I started out 10 years ago with a 300 whisper barrel from SSK and have acquired a number of barrels marked 300-221, 300 whisper , and my latest a 300 Blackout from MGM. All are great shooters using my Hornady 300 Whisper dies to load rounds. I for one am very happy AAC has promoted and got the cartridge standardized. New manufacturers daily it seems making a gun or cartridge. It looks like this new cartridge will be around awhile. Looking forward to the day where good bolt guns from several manufactures are designed around the cartridge. As soon as I read Remington, Ruger, Savage, or CZ has one that is 100% reliable bolt fed magazines, I will get one and give my single shots a rest. It I can't wait that long, I reckon a black gun AR platform will follow me home.

[rsilvers]

Originally Posted by 320pf

The price that you give for brass at $1 each is not correct either. I was selling brass for about .30 each and I think that Hoser was selling it for less than that.

Reformed brass though. Brass with correct head stamps was closer to $1 each. Reformed brass is 10-14 cents each now, depending on who is selling it and the quality.

[rsilvers]

Originally Posted by 320pf

I suspect that you are going to tell us about the "longer" throat of your chamber but by your own arguments that you have made about the 6.8 SPC vs the 6.8 SPCII chambers over on the 68 forums the longer throat only drops pressure by about 2000-4000 psi.

Actually in the 6.8 it is about 1500 psi difference between 6.8 SAAMI and SPC-II, which is not much at all.

If we kept an older name, then the factory test barrels would have to be based on the tightest chamber ever made with the old names, and then factory velocity would have been lower.

[rsilvers]

Originally Posted by 320pf

Well most of us that were shooting the 300 WTF had managed to get it worked out before AAC came around the "set us straight". We all just went with the 221 Fireball necked up to 30 cal. This shot well in SSK barrels and in the barrels marked "300-221 or 300 Fireball".

Before BLK, you generally had a requirement for an adjustable gas system to shoot subsonic and full power ammo in the same rifle. You also had reliability problems due to bullet/magazine compatibility. That is all fixed now - taking the concept to the next level.