new whisper ammo from Hornady

[rsilvers]

The 300 AAC BLACKOUT drawing may be acquired from SAMMI. While they have not updated their website yet, you can request the drawing from wheckel at saami.org. If you have a real Whisper(R) drawing, you could then compare them and note any differences.

[L1A1Rocker]

Originally Posted by Spook

sha-ul,You misunderstand me, Blackout (r), Whiteout (the storm not the correction fluid), In and Out (not the burger), Gee its nice out- think I'll leave it out, all excellent names for cartridges none of which annoy me in the least. What annoys me is calling a Dachshund a Basset hound then telling the entire planet how effective "Bassets" are at digging out badgers...while at the same time attempting to convince me Dachshunds never existed ?
As far as coming across as an ass... under the user CP there is an option to place other users on an "ignore list". I urge you to utilize that feature with regard to my posts. I shudder to think that anything I've typed has affronted your obviously sensitive sensibilities or worse still, that I may be casting pearls before swine. Do us both the favor.

rocker, Its apparent your vast knowledge of firearms supersedes any concepts or experience I may have on the subject and this may come as a shock, but blk ammo functions (perhaps even better than WTF ammo) through 2 (two) WTF barrels I have with chambers dimensionally LARGER than the chambers I cut with my blk reamer. ( insert a row of EEk emoticons here ) Along with difficulty conveying ideas with clarity in writing, you seem to be unacquainted with the practice called of "fireforming".
In the instance of the 6BRX, a conventional 6BR cartridge is fired in a chamber a full .010 longer which moves the shoulder of the cartridge ahead the same distance (thats almost 1/8 of an inch in case you're more used to reading a yardstick than a micrometer) without ill effect. Shazam what'll they think up next? I'd also like to direct your attention to the last two sentences in my response to sha-ul.


rsilvers I feel terrible and quite "asslike" (see sha-uls post). If in fact the blk was conceived as you explained in your last post, my comments requesting clarification were ill founded and I can see how they might be construed as hostile by you or the rest of the board. If any statements I made implied that you appropriated Mr Jones' intellectual property ,dismiss them as it was never my intent. Seriously anyone attempting that stunt had better have access to a decades old legal division with corporate funding at the very least.
There are occasions when I drink vodka (Kettle One (r)) to an excess and cant remember what I've done the next day. Last night was such an occasion ( I think, I cant remember exactly). Before I asked to you please accept my humble and heartfelt apology I have just one teeny weeny question and I'll never broach the subject again. If you didnt work from any existing drawings, how can you be sure you havent replicated the Whisper (r) ?
This is the where I ask you to accept my humblest and heartfelt apologies ....

Yep, this about sums it up.

Originally Posted by sha-ul

at this point you are just coming across as an ass, give it a rest eh.

[sha-ul]

Originally Posted by Spook

As far as coming across as an ass... under the user CP there is an option to place other users on an "ignore list". I urge you to utilize that feature with regard to my posts. I shudder to think that anything I've typed has affronted your obviously sensitive sensibilities or worse still, that I may be casting pearls before swine. Do us both the favor.

Spook, you are a valuable asset to this & other boards, I have nothing against you personally, however your posts have been coming across as quite hostile, which I don't think was your intent.

Edit to add, I hadn't looked at the first page in a bit, but I owe you an apology, Title2 started with what seemed to be the harshness, these threads are starting to run together, especiall when I have to speed read, However it seems like all too many of these 300blk vs 300 wtf all end up with someone grumping with RSilvers, instead of asking about any real technical issues. It would be nice if we could somehow get past that point& enjoy shooting& building this damned round. ;)

[Titleiiredneck]

Originally Posted by sha-ul

Title2 started with what seemed to be the harshness, these threads are starting to run together, especiall when I have to speed read

Should slow down and read some more!

I just stated the fact for the wilson round bieng used "legitimate reply for a question asked from first post", and said ssk standardized it, and some changed it for the worse.

Silvers asked for the drawing for the whisper reamer and I returned the reply to call ssk.

Nothing bad was said about the blackout round or anything else, just SOME "read some, not AAC or any other mfg was specified in that post" changed it for the worse!!

Originally Posted by Titleiiredneck

Fyi, JDJones standardized the whisper everyone else copied and changed it, some "for the worse"

Personally I belive remington did the subsonic shooters a favor for 300 /wtf since now people who donot want to reload can buy ammo besides corbon ect. Apparentley some chambers can run blackout ammo with no problems and some reloading dies can be used for it which in turn will lower the cost in the future and might get more people into it.

[thehouseproduct]

Originally Posted by Spook

Seriously anyone attempting that stunt had better have access to a decades old legal division with corporate funding at the very least.

Ha Ha Ha! Best line in the whole post!

[Spook]

Originally Posted by sha-ul

Spook, you are a valuable asset to this & other boards, I have nothing against you personally, however your posts have been coming across as quite hostile, which I don't think was your intent.

Edit to add, I hadn't looked at the first page in a bit, but I owe you an apology, Title2 started with what seemed to be the harshness, these threads are starting to run together, especiall when I have to speed read, However it seems like all too many of these 300blk vs 300 wtf all end up with someone grumping with RSilvers, instead of asking about any real technical issues. It would be nice if we could somehow get past that point& enjoy shooting& building this damned round. ;)

sha-ul, You dont owe me anything.... if you were sick of my shit you had every right to say so. If I get sick of anyone elses they usually hear about it ..... there is no hierarchy here and everyone takes their chances once committing their ding dong ideas to print.

[BachelorJack]

I make brass as some of you may know.

My brass runs 100% in BLK chambers.

It also runs 100% in 300-221 chambers. I've got a pile of case gauges made with every reamer out there for 300-221. Between rounds actually fired and cases tested, no problems.

Here's where it gets weird. It runs through some of the ssk cut whisper chambers. Others not at all. But there is no consistency in this in so far as we can tell. This leads us to believe that not all ssk cut chambers are identical to each other. If JD Jone's lawyer hadn't harassed us a month ago I would be inclined to figure out how to modify my brass to run 100% in SSK chambers. Instead I cannot in good faith supply brass to his customers. Which is fine because they can still get brass. They just have to pay more...

I've seen mention before of multiple ssk whisper prints because changes have been made to the original. Not match bolt action, or test barrel vs ar15 reamers, but actual changes. Can't substantiate it. Don't really know. Won't care. But those statements are out there.

[rsilvers]

What harassment did you get? Were you selling a Whisper(R) product without paying a license fee?

[BachelorJack]

Originally Posted by rsilvers

What harassment did you get? Were you selling a Whisper(R) product without paying a license fee?

Nah. No one can make a whisper product as only JD Jones has the reamer.

The lawyer for SSK was mad about 2x things.
1- I used "whisper" as a search term in my gunbroker listing.
2- I then stated a Noveske barrel was compatible with whisper ammo.

The lawyer told me I wasn't allowed to do either and needed to change it. When telling me what I was allowed to do or going to do failed for him, he contacted gunbroker, who then pulled my ad. So I re-listed it and contacted gunbroker inquiring about the legitimacy of creating an account to only harass legitimate sellers, Then I gave them links to forums where other individuals had complained about similar treatment. Maybe he lost his account. Haven't heard from him since.

You can't say your item is a whisper unless ssk made it. But you can say your item is compatible with whisper dies, whisper ammo, or whisper brass as all of those things have been made under license by third parties. You can then use "whisper" as a search term so as to link this ad to the stated compatibility with those products. Both of my uses fall under nominative use with ample case law to support my stance.

Here's my ad for any that cares: http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=247514868

Wasn't a big deal. Quite laughable really. I mean the guy is the lawyer and realtor for crappy homes in his little village.

[rsilvers]

It is annoying for a trademark holder to see people using their trademark as a search term for a competing product - but he is not correct to say you have to stop if all you did was say it was compatible.

I once noticed an iPod app had in its description "If you like any of these apps, you will like this one too." It went on to list the top 10 apps. Clearly they only did that so that their app would show up in searches for the top 10. I found it exceedingly obnoxious because it was not related at all - and if I were Apple, I would make this search-engine gaming against the terms of service and delete their app. That is the extreme case. You did not do that, as your rifle was genuinely compatible and it was helpful you mentioned it as such.