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Old 02-10-2011, 04:42 PM
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AAC Model-7 300 AAC BLACKOUT rifles are being made and they are using premium barrels contracted to our engineering drawings.
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Old 02-10-2011, 05:06 PM
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I'ts good to see a calliber we enjoy become standard, and as much as the next guy I like affordable guns . But there is no substitue for a custom rifle.
I have an excellent gunsmith locally and try to support them with my $.
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Old 02-11-2011, 01:28 AM
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AAC Model-7 300 AAC BLACKOUT rifles are being made and they are using premium barrels contracted to our engineering drawings.
Do your engineering drawings include specs for hand-lapped, stainless steel, air-gauged blanks?
If Remington can make that happen at a decent price point, they should get into the aftermarket barrel game and compete with the likes of Lilja, Shilen, PacNor, Bergara, Brux, Kreiger, Schneider, Hart, etc.

OK, let me have it (flame suit on),

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Old 02-11-2011, 09:48 AM
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Our barrels are not made by Remington.

And I did not pick stainless steel because carbon steel with nitriding is more corrosion resistant and durable. And hand-lapping must be used if that is what it takes to get our surface finish spec, but it is a surface finish spec that is called out. We callout measurements, not processes. For example, bore-straightness and bore cross-sectional area are called-out, but not air-gauging as that is just a way to measure a bore. The chamber dimensions are called out in great detail.

On the other hand, you have a custom gunsmith make a barrel and you have no guarantee that the bore cross-sectional area is correct or bore straightness is within some limit.

Think of this as NASA rocket science. Eliminate the voodoo and do it with proper drawings and skilled machinists who can follow drawings.
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Old 02-11-2011, 11:40 AM
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On the other hand, you have a custom gunsmith make a barrel and you have no guarantee that the bore cross-sectional area is correct or bore straightness is within some limit.

Think of this as NASA rocket science. Eliminate the voodoo and do it with proper drawings and skilled machinists who can follow drawings.

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Old 02-11-2011, 11:46 AM
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Our barrels are not made by Remington.

And I did not pick stainless steel because carbon steel with nitriding is more corrosion resistant and durable. And hand-lapping must be used if that is what it takes to get our surface finish spec, but it is a surface finish spec that is called out. We callout measurements, not processes. For example, bore-straightness and bore cross-sectional area are called-out, but not air-gauging as that is just a way to measure a bore. The chamber dimensions are called out in great detail.

On the other hand, you have a custom gunsmith make a barrel and you have no guarantee that the bore cross-sectional area is correct or bore straightness is within some limit.

Think of this as NASA rocket science. Eliminate the voodoo and do it with proper drawings and skilled machinists who can follow drawings.
Since there is only a few actual BARREL MFGR's out there, who does make your barrels (both your blanks and who machines them)? This is a serious question by the way.

So you have spec'ed out a barrel .. ok .. now how do you verify your subcontractor's work? What checks are in place to keep QC up?

This aint rocket science. There are plenty of skilled machinists out there who have been successful in the custom gunsmithing world that don't work for AAC.

Sounds like you are saying that you are removing the "voodoo" but it appears that all you are doing is re-directing it!

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Old 02-11-2011, 01:03 PM
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On the other hand, you have a custom gunsmith make a barrel and you have no guarantee that the bore cross-sectional area is correct or bore straightness is within some limit.
Yeah, but...

Barrel makers make barrels. Krieger, Lilja, Bartlien, ect.

Gunsmiths build guns.
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Old 02-11-2011, 03:21 PM
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OK...So you are saying they are making uniform quality barrels. Are all of the 300 barrels nitrided?
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Old 02-11-2011, 04:17 PM
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Gunsmiths buy blanks from barrel makers and chamber them.

Yes, all of the barrels are nitrided.
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Old 02-11-2011, 05:38 PM
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so are you telling us .. that AAC has entered the world of barrel manufacturing? or are you just subcontracting out gunsmithing work?
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