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11-27-2009, 08:54 AM
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Soldier posing with new M-9 multi-purpos
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11-27-2009, 08:58 AM
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11-27-2009, 02:16 PM
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Interesting photos. I looked closely, but don't see any of the typical scribed or painted trials serial numbers on that bayonet. Makes me think it was one of the few extras made as back-ups, etc. Would look more photogenic as well...
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11-28-2009, 01:25 AM
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Hello pwcosol
Photos are real, bayonet is also XM9. US Army was inspired from the AK47 and decided to test the new bayonet in 1985.
Lu
 
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11-28-2009, 01:13 PM
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No question from the photos it is a bona-fide Phrobis XM9. My understanding is when Phrobis produced this bayonet for the 1986 trials, they had to deliver 55 examples to the U.S. Army (as did the other contenders). Phrobis made slightly more than that, but no one knows the exact number. The additional bayonets were likely produced as replacements for damaged/lost bayonets, metallurgical testing, etc. It appears each bayonet actually submitted for the trials had a serial number painted and/or scribed onto both bayonet & scabbard. This was probably done to keep track of the bayonets and identify a specific bayonet/scabbard which may have suffered a fault or failure during the trials process. Those without such a number were the remaining spares. My XM9 is such a bayonet as may be the one you pictured.
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12-12-2010, 03:48 PM
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Old thread slight update.
In my research on my BuckMaster book, I have discovered that 55 XM9 # 29's set's were made however 50 were sent to US Military for the XM9 trial's and 5 were held back at PHROBIS for there own expermention and test's. If you own an unmarked one you account for the third XM9 #29 I know that exist from the 5 that were held back. I have a few exclusive pictures of the very first M9 bayonet design idea's that will be seen first in the next 3 month's...
Thanks to Rick MacDonald Head Machinest of Qual-A-Tec / the PHROBIS Company's and Harry Camphuysen VP of Qual -A- Tec and on th R & D team for all the PHROBIS Company's. I now have a TON's of PHROBIS Historical information with document's, and picture's to back up the never heard before story's that will be shared in my book.
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12-13-2010, 12:30 PM
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DK: That is interesting information on the number of XM9s produced. I am trying to recall how many XM9s I have observed or heard of which were not numbered for the Army trials. One Forum member acquired a blade which I think was obtained from Camillus after they went out of business & sold their inventory at auction. Other collectors have stated fakes also exist. I have never encountered one of these. However, the true XM9 has several minor manufacturing features which differ from all other M9s made, making it extremely difficult to reproduce.
Phrobis could have had some left over XM9 marked blades; possibly rejects, which were assembled into parts bayonets & sold commercially (as was the case with the pancake scabbards). Regarding the latter, I purchased a Phrobis "3-line" in a pancake scabbard a few years ago. The former owner bought the bayonet off Mr. Finn's "product board" @ the Great Western Show back in the late 1980s. Interestingly the bayonet has an unsharpened blade & a XM9 pommel cap, indicating use of left-over parts.
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12-13-2010, 08:26 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Knight
Old thread slight update.
In my research on my BuckMaster book, I have discovered that 55 XM9 # 29's set's were made however 50 were sent to US Military for the XM9 trial's and 5 were held back at PHROBIS for there own extermention and test's. If you own an unmarked one you account for the third XM9 #29 I know that exist from the 5 that were held back. I have a few exclusive pictures of the very first M9 bayonet design idea's that will be seen first in the next 3 month's...
Thanks to Rick MacDonald Head Machinest of Qual-A-Tec / the PHROBIS Company's and Harry Camphuysen VP of Qual -A- Tec and on th R & D team for all the PHROBIS Company's. I now have a TON's of PHROBIS Historical information with document's, and picture's to back up the never heard before story's that will be shared in my book.
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sign me up for the book
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12-29-2010, 03:34 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pwcosol
DK: That is interesting information on the number of XM9s produced. I am trying to recall how many XM9s I have observed or heard of which were not numbered for the Army trials. One Forum member acquired a blade which I think was obtained from Camillus after they went out of business & sold their inventory at auction. Other collectors have stated fakes also exist. I have never encountered one of these. However, the true XM9 has several minor manufacturing features which differ from all other M9s made, making it extremely difficult to reproduce.
Phrobis could have had some left over XM9 marked blades; possibly rejects, which were assembled into parts bayonets & sold commercially (as was the case with the pancake scabbards). Regarding the latter, I purchased a Phrobis "3-line" in a pancake scabbard a few years ago. The former owner bought the bayonet off Mr. Finn's "product board" @ the Great Western Show back in the late 1980s. Interestingly the bayonet has an unsharpened blade & a XM9 pommel cap, indicating use of left-over parts.
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I know that only 5 were unmarked by the Military as again 5 were held back for PHROBIS in house test's. I cant speak of fakes as I havent seen any. All the others were marked and numbered by the US Mititary for the trials of the various test's.. I can rest assure PHROBIS had NO extra XM9 #29 blades.ONLY 55 made. All the people involved stated this Fact including the BUCK's..I will have a picture of the origonal final M9 prototype ,one of the 5 held back from PHROBIS XM9 #29 , and a picture of the ONLY Buck Custom Shop made Damascus M9.
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12-30-2010, 12:56 PM
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DK: Thanks for sharing your XM9 findings with the Forum. Regarding the XM9s which were not submitted to the Army for evaluation, two are verified. One is the complete example I own, and the other a blade owned by a Forum member. This can bee seen on this QB link, post# 19: http://www.quarterbore.net/forums/sh...?t=2474&page=2 . The XM9 pictured with the soldier at the beginning of this thread could be a third example. However, it is likely the photos were taken prior to the XM9s either being sent the the Army for the trials, or issuance to the troops (hence all unmarked). As for incorrect/fake XM9s, the warning came from Homer Brett to be sure one is familiar with the unique features found only on the actual Phrobis bayonets, in order to avoid acquiring a bogus example being passed off as original.
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