Berger on game...

[HUNTER2]

Has anyone tried the 210 Berger on game?

[Rikky Lee]

Shot at a hare 12 times with Bergers. Thought I was missing - eventually "hit" so went over to pick it up - counted at least 8 hits. Haven't used them subsonic since.

[HUNTER2]

Dang! What do the 240's do on them? Was wondering if they were any better on coyote and deer. Thanks for the info...

[Rikky Lee]

Yet to try the 240s on anything. Used a 250 once that smashed a leg (low shot) beyond recognition but required a hard follow up of course.

For bigger game I expect the 240s to do the tumble thing and dump energy quickly but have yet to do any field testing.

[rumlover]

The 240's will typically tumble, but not always. It you want to improve your chances for tumbling, drill out the HP a little. I shot a 'yote back in Feb with one and it did a lot of damage before exiting. Most was from tearing not expansion, but the effect was the same. You can also use a 220 RNSP, drill out a hole in the exposed lead and then score the jacket.

After years of tinkering, I came to the conclusion that worrying about tumbling and expansion with subsonics was not worth the effort. What your time is better spent on is developing a dope card for different temps and knowing how the bullet will react with a lubed/unlubed bore, cold bore, and warm bore. I've shot deer, hogs, 'yotes, rabbits, crows, and what ever else wandered within range with 190, 200, 220, and 240 SMK's; 180, 200, 220 RNSP's; and 150, 180, and 208 BT's. No matter what the bullet, the effect from a lung/heart shot was the same. It was far more important to know exactly where I was putting the bullet than what it was doing once inside the target. Unless you are taking pop shots and hoping for a kill, focus on the lungs. It doesn't take much to puncture the rib cage on any animal and pierce a lung. Indeally, you'll want an exit wound for blood trailing or a spine shot with a quick follow up in the vitals.

The temp sensitivity of these loads is significant due to the reduced amount of heat and pressure to overcome the friction of and temp of the bore. The difference in drop for my 308 between 80deg and 40deg is roughly 4". Same 240 in the 300 whisper with a shorter barrel has a difference of 2 1/2". The difference in drop from the first cold, unlubed bore in the 308 can vary between 2" and 13" from the second shot depending on weather conditions.

Tinkering with it can be fun, but I never found a magic bullet for subs that will blow through thick shoulder bones since that is a function of energy not bullet design. With some of the Hawk designs I've seen I may drop the cash to try them, but in the end even the cheapest pill through the lungs gets the job done.

Your results may vary...

[d-mon]

hi,
i have shot a few small games with m 300 whisper and sierra 240 smk.
The quickest kill was a hair at 165m, with a bullet through the lungs, he made only a few meters before dropping. The 4 or 5 rabbits i shot all ran more than 30m before dropping, still with good shot placements though.
And no, the bullet is not tumbling at all. I need to shoot bigger game to see what it does. next ones will be goats.
i will keep ou posted.
nick

[Rikky Lee]

Good points and great advice from Rumlover. Exactly why I have spent 4 months plus chasing a sub-MOA load for the 30BR using 240s.