Tried Hawk Bullets?

[Bigfoot]

Has anybody tried Hawk Bullets, especially the 200 grain RN with the thin .025 jacket. http://www.hawkbullets.com/Pricelist.htm Supposedly they use very soft pure copper jackets. These bullets don't have a good reputation among hunters because they tend to shed their jackets but I doubt that that would be a problem at these low velocities. If they need even more expansion maybe get one of those hollowpoint cutters and try cutting a HP into them.

[Bigfoot]

While I'm at it here's another custom bullet maker. http://www.wildcatbullets.homestead....letPrices.html Richard Graves is incredible, his specialty is extremely high BC bullets for long range hunting. He also makes heavy for caliber ULD RBBTHP bullets with the thin J-4 jackets. J-4s are what Berger uses and they are thinner than Sierras jackets. Among the long distance hunting crowd this guy has a great reputation for quality, and also his willingness to make anything you can dream up. I've talked to him myself. I'm thinking he might give you guys a larger HP in order to realibly start expansion at low velocities. His latest project is developing a special rebated boatail punches for his jackets, this will allow him to also bond these RBBT ULDs for hunting at high velocities.

He's actually a Canadian farmer with mad bullet making skills. His internet skills on the other hand suck so cut him a break with his site.

[Bigfoot]

I emailed Richard and here's how it went.

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Hello Richard

I just typed out a post for the 300 Whisper forum where I reccomended your work. They mostly use 240 SMKs at close to subsonic velocities and depend on them tumbling for effect, sometimes they don't and of course they pencil through. What I think they need is a high BC, heavy for caliber, thin jacket bullet like your 210 or 225 gr RBBT, but possibly with a larger HP like Berger does with thier J-4 varmint bullets. Can you do this, or what else would you recommend? This one isn't for me but I watch just about everybodys rifle forums to see what they are up to.

Bigfoot

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Hi Darrel,
I would be more than happy to build some bullets with the open meplat for
you,In fact I will try to do them tomorrow.How open of a meplat do you want
?????I have talked with my jacketmaker and he has most of my jackets
drawn,he is still waiting on a trim punch and I will have 30 cals up to 300
grns.

Get back to me asap on the opening size and I will see what I can get done
on a j-4 jacket,I am thinking225 grn????? We will see

Have a good nite
Richard Graves/Wildcat Bullets

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I told you this guy is awsome. He will often make bullets up and give them away free for testing, if they don't perform like the shooter wants he will change the jacket thickness and mail some more out to try again. FOR FREE.

So, what do you guys need? 300 grain bullets?

Think about the HP/meplat size and let me know, or email him and talk to him yourself.

[Bigfoot]

Richard emailed me this morning.

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Good morning Darrel,

you buggers have me all horned up to get a whisper now,I have been thing
about this for some time and this is not helping to quench the fire!!!!! LOL
I ran over this am and made cores for a 220 grn rbbt uld,oxidized them and
in a few hours will make a handful of bullets for some talented individual
to shoot.Any ideas on who they should be sent to ??????
thanks for your interest

Richard Graves/Wildcat Bullets.
Is there a 7mm whisper,I have 200 grn rbbt uld bullets in 7mm that would
work well I think!!!!

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Who wants to test these? I'd suggest emailing Richard and including your mailing address.

[Artful]

Sounds interesting - What we need is to standardize a test medium and do terminal performance testing like this guy...

http://www.theboxotruth.com/

[pmc]

Bigfoot, I am in. I have been e-mailing Richard about this very application.

Pmc

[GunGeek]

I've also been exchanging e-mails with Richard about the possibility of a soft point round nose rebated boat tail (Say that 5 times fast) for 300Whisper.He is sending me some of his megahollowpoint bullets to try out. We are in teh process of discussing the terminal ballistics I am after for coyotes to see if he thinks the RNSPRBBT is the way. He said if there is enough interest in such a bullet design, he would by the die required to make them.
More coming,
John

[Murmur]

It's neat to hear that a bullet manufacturer is listening to needs for the subsonic users. To end up with the desired results what we need is for an methodical, eperienced whisper shooter to test & log results with these bullets.
Does anybody fit this bill do this testing and R&D justice? There's no point in wasting a manufacturers precious time - lets do this right!

[pmc]

I just got through with some e-mails from Richard also and have some of the mega-hollows inbound also. I typically use wet phone books for bullet tests because they are repatable and inexpensive. I'll post results when they come in. I do like the idea of some 240's that expand or possibly some heavy frangibles when he gets them built.

Pmc

[Bulletsmith]

Just wanted to say hi,this is Richard.I am very excited to be invited to play!!
I have had a few thoughts promted by some individuals that show insight into making a bullet that will expand .There are several tricks,jacket serrators,hollow point punches to make a open meplat even more massive,mouth serrators that basically have a x punch that scores the mouth,so it peels back and finally,fragible cores made from lead shot.If we work together I am sure that it will be possible to get exactly what is needed. I think,please correct me if I am sucking slough water,but a round nose is possibly not the best choice for yotes, a high bc bullet with a rebated boattail that will come apart and stay inside.I can buld one for the higher velocity rounds and I think with a little input from you shooters it can be done in this application as well.However I have been wrong before
I look forward to the challenge
good shooting
Bulletsmith