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Old 03-04-2007, 11:09 AM
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Which Redding die set?

I'm just about ready to start reloading. I'll be ordering my 300 brass from Keith Davis, What I need to know is which Redding die set will I really need?

80432 Redding 2-Die Set 300 Whisper http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpag...eitemid=655379

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82432 Redding 2-Die Neck Sizer Set 300 Whisper http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpag...eitemid=452415

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84432 Redding 3-Die Set 300 Whisper http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpag...eitemid=244465

What do you recommend? Other suggestions?

Thanks for your help!!!!!
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Old 03-04-2007, 08:21 PM
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I purchased the three die set.

I use the full length die to resize new brass.

After that first firing - all that should be necessary is to neck size (especially if you are using a bolt action and the same rifle.

When I bought mine, they had a sale. Buying a two die set and a single resizer was cheaper than the three die set (at the time)
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Old 03-05-2007, 12:34 AM
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see if this helps

Well let me give you all the information needed and you answer the question. All ammo and guns have to make to a standard size so they will in turn function in each other. Just think of all the different combinations you could come up with. Just think of the number of ammo manufactures, reloading dies and gun makers you could think of. You could have a Remington gun and be shooting Winchester ammo or vise versa. A standard is set forth by the SAMMI. (small arms munitions manufactures institute) So all ammo, reloading dies and guns in a specific caliber are made to a specific size. Sounds good so fare. So you’re in the back yard and load up a few rounds and send them down range now what. You pick up your fired brass and head for the basement to reload them. You ask Dave if its all the same size why do I have to run threw my dies, good point. The chamber area of your gun is just a few 1000’s of an inch larger than the ammo to let the brass open up and release the bullet. If it wasn’t than you would have over pressure in the chamber. Ok here where it gets confusing. If your firing a bolt action or single shot gun the stays in the gun after firing until you remove it by working the action, so with that the brass conforms to the chamber size. If your firing a semi auto or full auto gun the brass is immediate extracted out of the chamber AND continues to expand as it cools. Now lets talk about what type dies are out there. You have full length sizing, neck sizing, seating die and crimp die. Well all dies sets come with a sitting die that just pushes the bullet down into place in the mouth of the brass, that’s cut and dry. A crimp dies, crimps the bullet in the brass once the bullet is seated, it just rolls the brass in just a little to better hold the bullet. This is seen in military calibers (.223/5.56, .308/7.62 nato, 30.06, 7.62x39) because they are fired in semi and full auto guns, the round flying in to the chamber at a high rate of speed, the crimping prevents the bullets from flying forward once the round stops in the chamber. That takes care of the seating and crimp dies. Now the sizing die. So with all this if you fire your ammo in a bolt action or single shot gun all you really need to do is size the neck area down to hold a bullet. (this a neck die) If you fire your ammo in a semi or full auto gun. The brass will need to be full length sized. Both dies will have a de-caping rod and expander ( pushes the primer out and opens the neck up after it goes in to the die, why you feel resistances as the brass comes out of the die) So with all this your shooting a AR-15 just buy the two die set, standard full length sizing die and seating die, you don’t need a neck die. Sorry to be so long winded but just didn’t want to answer the question but leave you with an understanding of whats going on.
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Old 03-05-2007, 10:38 AM
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THANK YOU!!!

Terrific information and it's much appreciated!!!

This is the type of info that should be "stickied".


I should have specified that my new project is based on an AR platform. My previous reloading experiences have been for shotgun and my single shot 7MM Mauser - makes sense to full length size the semi auto brass.

Now, it's time to order brass and dies.
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Old 03-05-2007, 02:01 PM
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Scoots,

Not sure if you got the PM or not but I got a spare 2 die set if your interested....

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Old 03-05-2007, 02:29 PM
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Crimping?

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Originally Posted by keith__davis
...A crimp dies, crimps the bullet in the brass once the bullet is seated, it just rolls the brass in just a little to better hold the bullet. This is seen in military calibers (.223/5.56, .308/7.62 nato, 30.06, 7.62x39) because they are fired in semi and full auto guns, the round flying in to the chamber at a high rate of speed, the crimping prevents the bullets from flying forward once the round stops in the chamber...
Since the seating die in the Redding Die Set #80432 does not crimp, what are the chances of the large 220 and 240 grain Sierra Matchking bullets moving in the case during the cycling action of an AR-15?

When my AR-15 in 300 Fireball gets here in a couple of weeks, I think I will load the magazine with 3 bullets that I have measured for OAL with a bullet comparator and calipers. Then only fire 2 of them and eject the 3rd unfired to measure if the bullet has moved in the case during the chamber loading process.
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Old 03-05-2007, 03:55 PM
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Should provide you with some good info. Keep in mind they won't move enough to come unseated in one chambering cycle and it is the short ones like the 150s that are more troublesome especially if running only .001" neck tension without a crimp.
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