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are you saying you don't have to use case lube to form these?
I got a set from another source, I have other dies, I got these b/c I exlusively load the Lee TL 230 blackout boolits. the tumble lube / wax galls up my other seater dies, the LEE design seems better and easier to clean than the other dies (hornady and redding) BUT I had to cut the bullet seating stem <1/4 " b/c the boolits are so long that there was only a thread holding it down.
also the decapping die seems to do something weird to the case mouth, I am cutting all of the brass to 1.363" . it looks like it buckles them, but not really it just leaves a strange wrinkle, but however it is just cosmetic. the boolits load fine and they all chamber in my Model1Sales .300 Whisper.
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