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Tumbling is a "MAYBE" thing, at least for me. If they don't, you had better be hunting the wide open spaces if you plan on finding the deer. I actually had better luck loading 180 Speer btsp backwards. Cuts a neat little hole. All of the others above expand... The Lehigh acts more like the partition and leave a blood trail. They are not as heavy as some on here like them, but so far all I have seen have left good exit wounds. EXPENSIVE...But how many are you going to shoot at deer anyway. I shoot the 180 Speer for everything else. Only shoot single shot and bolt. 4 or 5 hundred does me for a year. I think it was Elmer Keith - I try to do all of my hunting before the shot.....
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