SPOOK.....You didnt break that out of spite did you??:eek:

I feel a distrurbance in the force, I do......:rolleyes:

Anyways...........

I use the "WTF" term to mean all the 7.62x35 chambers before the BLK, usally only when Im typing it out on the internet.

I have a TP555 barrel and its a .300/221 but when speaking aloud to my cohorts, I refer to it as a whisper because they have known about the 300 Whisper story for a few years now.

But now.......and Robert will like this....... I tell them all, that its now called the 300 Blackout which standardized by AAC and a bunch of manufacturers are on board with it. Which makes getting factory ammo and building or buying guns easier and alot cheaper.

AAC is the hero and we all win ~:nanabang::nanabang::nanabang:


Personally, I think this back and forth jabbing BS is non-productive and not really worth the time to read but some of it is funny:grin:



So from this day foreward, I shall call it, trademark/copywrite and own....and I do proclaim it as now the .300 STFU! :grin::grin::grin:

Its official, :cool:

Later yall and on a serious note, yall be safe and have a good Christmas and Happy New years !

Does this mean that no one likes Rammstein? :grin:

Yes, I liked it.

This one has some graphic scenes so don't watch it if you have kids around:

http://video.mail.ru/mail/grigory_1960/167/508.html

Dude, I coined the term on here a long time ago so if you dont like it blame me. I started the term '300wtf aka 300 what the fuck ever' for the reason they are all basically the same and arguing about that fact is pointless.

Yes you did some research on it, and yes you got mfg's on board so pat yourself on the back about it. I could care less if your feelings were hurt with the term or if you are upset that someone thinks hunting with that round is not a good thing to do. I have shot wild pigs, deer,a feral dog or two, and even a friggin alligator with the 'wtf' round. All were dead with one shot. I have shot a few 600yd comp with a 'wtf' bolt gun I had built by GAP. and won. I truly love the little round but what pisses me off is that you act like it was created by aac and all they did was copy the 'wtf' and rename it the blackout (R).

Merry what the fuck ever christmas!

:welcome:
Congrats Silvers, you have persuaded probally the best gunsmith you could have ever met enough to never ream another blackout chamber again!

Spook - are you going to tell him the correct phrase is that he "couldn't care less?"

This is the trend I have noticed - the WTF term is used primarily by people upset at the 300 BLK. Half of them are 6.8 fans, and half of them are 300-221 fans. Ok, I just wanted to be sure. Now I know where you-all stand.

This statement is not true either. ALL of the barrels that I designed and built do NOT "require" an adjustable gas system to shoot subsonic and full power ammo in the same rifle. My barrels can shoot subs with bullets as light as 165 g and supersonic loads. Typical velocities (from a 16" barrel) for a 150 gr and 125 gr bullets using loads listed in the Sierra manual is 2000 fps and 2250 fps.



This is/was another solution to a non problem. Any of the "long" for weight bullets like the Speer 125 TNT, Nosler 125 Ballistic Tips, Berger 115, 125,135 gr match bullets etc... can be loaded to mag length. The Speer 125 TNT and the Nosler 125 BT all expand at the 300 WTF supersonic velocities.

Below are 125 gr Speer TNT loaded to mag length in a Bets-C mag. I shot this configuration at a few 3-gun matches about 4-5 years ago. I did not have any problems! With the exception of 110 gr bullet, I have never had any problems loading to mag length.

Maybe if you had come on this site when you first released the 300 AAC Blackout and simply thanked all of the 300 WTF wildcaters/developers here and acknowledged their efforts and expressed what a valuable resource that they created for you and your company AAC, you would not be getting such a bad time from folks.

Another suggestion. It might help if you substitute "we" for "I". For example:

"We have worked with Sierra, Barnes, and Remington to make new bullets designed for 300 BLK. etc..."

This might also help.

I would like to thank you for the contribution that you and AAC have made to this cartridge.
We are looking forward to see some new products.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.


http://www.quarterbore.net/forums/ph...ll_Beta-Ca.jpg

If you load the supersonic to 55,000 psi, and add a suppressor - will it or won't the full auto cyclic rate exceed Colt M4 specs? And if you shoot the subsonic without a suppressor, will or won't the cyclic rate be within Colt M4 specs? These are things we did on high speed video when setting all the specs.

If one shoots tens of thousands of rounds, one can document statistical differences in reliability.

Thank you and Merry Christmas.

I really think you will like some of the bullets.

I am sorry for not doing that. As you know, I polled here to see what preferences people had for supersonic bullets, and read about 220 vs 240, and learned about powders and rifle configurations that people liked. It is not just a valuable resource here, but was pretty much the only resource. I also learned about the cartridge OAL factor here and read everything. So thank you. I/we did not invent 300-221. The contribution was mostly bringing it to SAAMI so that more companies felt comfortable making guns and ammo. The future contribution will be getting all sorts of interesting factory loads out.

I'm sure Spook still has the 300 BLK Match reamer he used to chamber my AR barrel...:grin:

Kevin

Man I just wanted to show another deer I killed with my .300 blk. With a jab at naysayers of the concept, not start a pissing match with those that support the concept of the .300 blk.

For the record my barrel is a custom job made with a custom reamer, so it technically is not a .300 whisper, .300/221, or a .300 blackout. A good friend pushed me into the concept, did not really take much. A year later, AAC came out with the SAMMI standardization and called it the .300 AAC blackout, (something nobody else had bothered to do).

If and when i say .300 WTF I mean it as a joke just because there were different terms for basically the same thing.

I now call it the .300 Blackout, but I haven't changed anything I do in loading for it.

Unless it was cut with a blk reamer then its not, call it a wtf:grin:

Sorry your thread went to crap, mabye silvers will create a new thread next time to keep his beliefs in proper place with the subject.

If I knock my wife up tonight I’m suing the band!

Wow, I'm new here and all I can say is I've never see so many cry babies anywhere else than maybe arfcom or the 6.8 forums. It is a close contest sadly.

Are Spook and Redneck 12 years old? Did someone steal their favorite toy or is being childish just a hobby? If spook is truly a gunsmith I wouldn't want him anywhere near my guns. Hell, he might throw a temper tantrum. The venom they spew on rsilvers is uncalled for and immature. I'm guessing this is perfectly acceptable behavior on Quarterbore?

AAC spent a lot of time and money to get 300 BLK standardized and SAAMI approved. Anyone can make rifles using this chambering and no royalties are payed to anyone. It's a win/win with a round similar to 7.62x39 but feeds reliably in the AR-15 platform and with so many possibilities subsonic and super. Why bitch and moan about that?

So much butt hurt and sour grapes from the 300-221/300 Whisper(R) and 6.8mm SPC guys. Maybe I should say, cult members instead. I have a 6.8 and my ass is not even a little tingly. I guess I'm just not as easily hurt by something that obviously is going to be the best thing to happen to the AR-15 since possibly, its creation.

JTFC :confused:

TNinfedel, you may enjoy smoke blowed up your ass. You should read back 1 1/2 year or so an you may understand these guys point of view. rsivers has been here a long time reading and asking questions ( he calls R&D ), then ACC comes out with a (( all new wonder cartrige for everything and is better than the whisper because he engineered out all of the problems of the 300 whisper ect.)) Taking credit for all the development people here have done and shared with others and him. 300 Black Out will help people who just buy off the shelf get into the 300 game and will help with suppressors sales (( AAC )). On Arfcom a couple of threads people had trouble with 300 Black Out barrels and I tried to explain that its not the chambering but the Barrel Maker ( Many ) and others ask what will work or not and I suggest coming here and reading to understand loads and barrel configuration. I also suggest calling Spook or TP555 and they will give experienced answers and can chamber a barrel to what will work and they want and I even suggest a 300 Black Out chamber because of resale and they are the same.

gds, Good hunting, how many deer can you harvest.

We can harvest 2 antlered and as many antler-less as we want to. the original tag comes with 4 but you can get more pretty cheaply.

...odd that you would arrive here to rescue your messiah and then tell us about your hurt butt and tingly ass....

Is this typical discussion at the website you and Bob usually post @?
I for one have no interest in your anatomy and prefer you discuss it elsewhere.

Merry Christmas to you in any instance. Have a Blessed and healthy New Year.

This part of Texas we have been allowed only 1 Buck, but this year it has been upped to 2 Bucks and a doe on Thanksgiving weekend. We cannot use a suppressor on game animals, but anything legal on hogs make it fun.

Yea, Merry Christmas too you too crybaby. Sorry, I don't have any messiahs. Maybe you could make acting like a man and not an angry little boy your New Year's resolution?

MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE!! lol this is the best thread ever!! :nanabang:

Son, you couldnt have been more transparent if you'd have signed on as "1st Colonel of the Tennessee Rump Rangers", going out of your way to join a site for the sole purpose of defending your mancrush...then telling the world about the sensations in your posterior aspect?
...truly a defining moment in internet history.


I do thank you for returning what I'm sure are your heartfelt wishes for my enjoyment of the holidays... I've heard that you people have good manners and are somewhat civilized. :welcome: to the site , Kindest Regards :wink:

Real nice there spook my boy. A real class act.

TN, I think you might want to give this a read:

http://www.amazon.com/How-Win-Friend.../dp/1439167346

What you're doing so far isn't working real well for 'ya. Not trying to be an ass, but there are better ways to carry on a conversation with a complete stranger. You never know, if you and Spook had met at the range, you might have been good friends given the common ground (shooting) you share. Nobody here is a jerk from what I've seen with my time here, but you can't expect people to get defensive when you start calling them out...
Remember, in the end, we're all on the same team.

Respectfully,

The guy who doesn't want to make enemies from allies...

For me, the 300wtf is a tongue in cheek term of endearment, I a Barrel from Shilen marked one way, a set of dies from Redding that say something else, A loading manual from Hornady with data for a different flavor and a few boxes of 300blk ammo, for a slang nickname, 300 wtf works pretty well:tongue:


It's all in good fun.

That's pretty much how I see it too!

You are probably right TCCrewchief. I guess it was just a gut reaction to the childish venom spook and his buddies were spilling back a couple of pages ago. For example:

That from spook and comments from 320pf, and titleiiredneck that are just meant to insult got under my skin. I don't think I'd care to be friends with these guys anyway if all they can manage is childish attacks and insults.

I apologize for the diversion. I will attempt to stay above all the bottom feeding insults and such and contribute something more meaningful to the forum.

Unlike every one of your posts thus far......
This should be riveting as it appears you've already typed your entire vocabulary...twice.

Gentlemen, no fighting, this is the war room.:tongue:

Not that it is all that important:rolleyes:, but my 300 blkout harvested another one this evening. the 4th one I have taken plus the one my daughter shot.

200gr prototype low velocity expander
935 fps

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j2...Edoe001jpg.jpg

Entrance
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j2...Edoe008jpg.jpg

exit
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j2...Edoe009jpg.jpg

Lung
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j2...Edoe010jpg.jpg

I was actually going for a neck shot but she was quartering me more than I thought. she only made it about 40 yds into a thicket where she laid down

Why not just keep your thoughts to yourself, you have no idea what we do or know so I think it would be best. You may be a AAC fanboy and thats your right but its best to just keep your mouth shut and keep drinking the koolaid from AAC.

Happy holidays and all that!

Redneck do a google on this clown, explains why silvers left the building and left Colonel Jinglenuts twistin' in the wind.

I saw, quite the racist fucktard too.

Maybe you would like to explain exactly why you think I am a "racist fucktard"?

You guys really are class acts...:rolleyes:

You hate muslims, what other race/religion?

Muslims are of every race and pigmentation, how does race enter the picture? You sound like a leftist or an Islamist with the intellectually dishonest cry of racism when anyone expresses the dislike the of violent, misogynist, barbaric death cult of Islam.

I do not hate Muslims. I never have said that. Instead, I feel sorry for the many of them that are trapped in Islam(the punishment for leaving Islam is death) or ignorant of the teachings of the 7th century mass murdering pedophile Muhammad (their so called "prophet").

What I hate is Islamic terror, honor killing, female genital mutilation, subjugation of women, the persecution, rape and murder of Christians, Jews, Hindus and Buddhist living in Muslim majority countries.

So, tell me again how am I racist?

...appears to be a devout atheist, my guess is all of them from the atheists that I've met.
http://67.220.220.61/conservative-in...religious-folk

Love this one. Homeland Security has got to be so far up his ass that when Janet farts he has bad breath. Just kidding Jan, great work on the border :rolleyes:
http://haley2012.info/?p=17048

Wouldnt voting him out of office suffice? Does this qualify as "spewed venom"?. Does wanting someone hanged for representing their constituency strike you as a state of emotional maturation?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

An ad hominem (Latin for "to the man" or "to the person"), short for argumentum ad hominem, is an attempt to negate the truth of a claim by pointing out a negative characteristic or belief of the person supporting it. Ad hominem reasoning is normally described as a logical fallacy.