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NASA, Voodoo, and Tally system

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Originally Posted by rsilvers (Post 26919)

Think of this as NASA rocket science. Eliminate the voodoo and do it with proper drawings and skilled machinists who can follow drawings.

One of my careers before medicine was pyrotechnics. My specialty is rockets. Feel free to correct me, but I believe that makes me the resident rocket expert. I've also done a medical rotation in space medicine with NASA. Neither of which makes me an astronaut, and in neither experience did I see anyone making rifle barrels.

Voodoo is a branch of Christianity. Water into wine is considered. Walking on water is considered. Barrels by Remington or their subcontractors playing with the big boys seem outside of religious miracles. So does "creating" a 308 caliber rifle intended to feed through a AR15 based on the 221 fireball case and thinking it isn't 300 Whisper or a blatent copy with differences just big enough to create a patent...and from what I hear, cause feeding problems.

I'm starting a tally on best comments in response to Robert feeding us a line of shit. Spook is currently in the lead with 10 points...

Didn't you guys know all the current bench rest competitions are won with factory rifles these days. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by rsilvers (Post 26919)

Our barrels are not made by Remington.

And I did not pick stainless steel because carbon steel with nitriding is more corrosion resistant and durable. And hand-lapping must be used if that is what it takes to get our surface finish spec, but it is a surface finish spec that is called out. We callout measurements, not processes. For example, bore-straightness and bore cross-sectional area are called-out, but not air-gauging as that is just a way to measure a bore. The chamber dimensions are called out in great detail.

On the other hand, you have a custom gunsmith make a barrel and you have no guarantee that the bore cross-sectional area is correct or bore straightness is within some limit.

Think of this as NASA rocket science. Eliminate the voodoo and do it with proper drawings and skilled machinists who can follow drawings.

So Robert, you are saying that taking a piece of steel and nitrate coating it to over 1000 degrees f with either salt,plasma or gas makes a piece of steel more durable than a piece of stainless that has not been? You do know that this is a form of case hardening and when doing so you will have to cut the bore beforehand also causing the bore to be partially case hardened afterward and therefore possibly stress cracked and brittle? Personally I would rather have a stainless barrel ceramic coated "pretty much as durable when done correctly" and treated to 220 +/- degrees.

I would rather have a custom gunsmith chamber a rifle than some guy at remington that is overworked and pissed because of business issues, when my smith recives a pmo for a few hundred it usually makes him more than happy and that usually causing most machinists to take their time and do things correctly, just sayin!

Actually NASA usually contracts most of their work out, including the rocket engines so there really is not any NASA rocket sicence in building a rocket, just sayin!

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Originally Posted by ds762 (Post 26932)

so are you telling us .. that AAC has entered the world of barrel manufacturing? or are you just subcontracting out gunsmithing work?

aac is owned by remington now.

AAC owned by Remington or not .. Mr. Robert Silvers has expressed that Remington is not making the barrels .. so ..... ;)

Brother has this one gotten on a different track. And the original question was?????:confused: New thread started//.,';lk