"another" .300 blk not good for hunting

[gds]

keep being told the .300 blkout is not good for deer.

4th one

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j243/gdsjr/hunting/300blackoutLVEdoe002jpg.jpg

200gr Low velocity expander
935 fps

broke her spine had to finish her off with my .45

[Alleycat]

I was told the same thing. I promptly got the video camera out and made a bunch of videos just to prove them wrong. The lesson that is learned here is
1: Don’t tell me it can’t be done.
2: I am an expert on my own opinion.
3: You can humanly kill deer with subs.

[justshoot]

That Deer, or a Greyhound ??? looks pretty small . LOL

Nobody is saying it cant be done .
Just saying . It's all relative to where you live & what size deer & game is in the area you hunt & terrain & distance you have to shoot deer .
,

[Retooferab]

Yea, mine didn't work very good either!

http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad61/retooferab1/15f7898d.jpg

[gds]

That Deer, or a Greyhound ??? looks pretty small . LOL

Nobody is saying it cant be done .
Just saying . It's all relative to where you live & what size deer & game is in the area you hunt & terrain & distance you have to shoot deer .
,

White tail around hear do not get huge, but she was about 100lbs

[mstarling]

Nice white tail doe here ... over 150 pounds. 16" suppressed 220 SMK at 1000 fps. Dropped at the shot. Hit her in the neck as intended.

[LouBoyd]

Fortunately those who own 300 WTF rifles can learn the limitations and ignore the critics.
Does any state ban the 300 WTF but allow other centerfire rifles for deer hunting?

[sha-ul]

Fortunately those who own 300 WTF rifles can learn the limitations and ignore the critics.
Does any state ban the 300 WTF but allow other centerfire rifles for deer hunting?

Actually the 300wtf may have a leg up in many other calibers, as some states restrict hunting to handgun calibers& the 300 has a pretty good history with silhouette shooters. plus it works well in bolt& semi auto guns, what's not to like?

[Titleiiredneck]

Fortunately those who own 300 WTF rifles can learn the limitations and ignore the critics.
Does any state ban the 300 WTF but allow other centerfire rifles for deer hunting?

I have found that some states require a cartridge to have a specific oal to use on deer. Dunno about about handgun hunting or what not since I usually hunt from my living room with a suppressed sbr anyhow 'gotta love when a security system is looking over the food plot in your back yard:cool:'

[martineta]

In VA, a deer caliber must be centerfire greater than 22 caliber and deliver over 550 foot pounds of energy at 100 yards. A 300 whisper leaving a barrel subsonic at 1050 feet per second 220 grain bullet is over 900 foot pounds of energy at 100 yards, well over VA requirements. We can use suppressors for hunting also. I love VA! :smile:

[rsilvers]

Why do you guys call 300 BLK 300 WTF? The final SAAMI standard is established and has arrived. The final name is known. It is 300 AAC Blackout.

[TCCrewchief76]

With my 300 Fireball being the same case length as the BLK, does that make it a BLK Match since it has a tighter chamber? :smile: 'Ya heard it here first folks: 300 Blackout Match!

Kevin

[Titleiiredneck]

With my 300 Fireball being the same case length as the BLK, does that make it a BLK Match since it has a tighter chamber? :smile: 'Ya heard it here first folks: 300 Blackout Match!

Kevin

Ha, 300wtf match?

[Spook]

Why do you guys call 300 BLK 300 WTF? The final SAAMI standard is established and has arrived. The final name is known. It is 300 AAC Blackout.

I believe it to be term of inclusion applicable to all cartridges that bear an uncanny resemblance to the 300 Whisper Mr.Silvers. :smile: You might make an attempt to get used to it rather than take it personally. It appears to have "stuck". Perhaps changing the headstamp should be considered?

Merry Christmas in any instance :smile: and best wishes for a Happy and profitable New Year.

[Spook]

'Ya heard it here first folks: 300 Blackout Match!,Kevin

Dont forget the (R):grin:

[Titleiiredneck]

Perhaps changing the headstamp should be considered.


Just make sure to pay me royalties for that name:grin:

[rsilvers]

I believe it to be term of inclusion applicable to all cartridges that bear an uncanny resemblance to the 300 Whisper Mr.Silvers. .

There seems to be two types of people who use the term. Previous Whisper(R) or 300-221 users like you, and people who are saying that 0.277 bullets are so much better than 30 caliber bullets.

By the way, your use of 'uncanny' raises the specter of originality. 300 BLK is a standardization of the 300-221 concept, which was sorely needed. Since this has happened, ammo has dropped from $45 a box to $12.50 a box. Brass has fallen from $1 each to 25 cents each (10 cents for reformed). Uppers went from $1200+ to under $500. 75 new companies are involved. It is good even for long-time users of 300-221 or Whisper(R).

5.56mm with 30 cal bullets goes back to at least 1969. And by the way, they all copied Remington's design of the case head dimensions and body taper - and I never saw anyone point out the irony of that.

Here is a photo of a 40+ year old cartridge:

http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/1981/eglint1t3b.jpg

[Spook]

There seems to be two types of people who use the term. Previous Whisper(R) or 300-221 users like you, and people who are saying that 0.277 bullets are so much better than 30 caliber bullets.

By the way, your use of 'uncanny' raises the specter of originality. 300 BLK is a standardization of the 300-221 concept, which was sorely needed. Since this has happened, ammo has dropped from $45 a box to $12.50 a box. Brass has fallen from $1 each to 25 cents each (10 cents for reformed). Uppers have went from $1200+ to under $500. 75 new companies are involved. It is good even for long-time users of 300-221 or Whisper(R).

5.56mm with 30 cal bullets goes back to at least 1969. And by the way, they all copied Remington's design of the case head dimensions and body taper - and I never saw anyone point out the irony of that.

Here is a photo of a 40+ year old cartridge:

http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/1981/eglint1t3b.jpg

Bob, first of all 5th sentence 2nd paragraph. Uppers have went? went? "Gone" would have made you sound as if you had completed middle school. Its difficult for me to take anything beyond that seriously.

Lastly, in this country when someone bestows Holiday greetings its customary to return the salutation.... something to consider as you make your New Years resolutions.... Kindest regard :smile:

[Hoser]

Why do you guys call 300 BLK 300 WTF?

I do because it covers all of the different flavors of the 300 Whisper. I guess that means I am lazy.

When I am talking about the Blackout, I call it as such.

[Retooferab]

When I am talking about the Blackout, I call it as such.[/QUOTE]

Me too! I just don't have one.

Mine was built before the Blackout, so I call it 300WTFever!

[Alleycat]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70kV_Wp5WpE&feature=related

[320pf]

Why do you guys call 300 BLK 300 WTF? The final SAAMI standard is established and has arrived. The final name is known. It is 300 AAC Blackout.


It has picked up the moniker 300 WTF because this cartridge has gone by many different names (300 Whisper, 300-221 Fireball, 300 Fireball, 7.62x35mm, etc…). AAC just happen to add one more (300 AAC Blackout), enough to sort of "break the camels back". So those of us that have been shooting this cartridge for quite awhile have just given up trying to keep up with all of the different names so now it is just called the 300 WTF.

I personally think that the 300 AAC Blackout is a lousy name for several reasons.

First, it is too long of a name hence another reason that we call it the 300 WTF.

Second, AAC should have done a little bit of market research on the name. The name "300 AAC Blackout" sounds like a name a pimply face mall ninja kid would come up with or a slang name for a drug that a dorky college kid would put in a girls drink… think ruffy.

You probably should have gone with a simple name like "300-221 Fireball". Similar to how Remington went with the name 25-06.

Get used to it. It seems to have "stuck"

[rsilvers]

First, it is too long of a name hence another reason that we call it the 300 WTF.

It is called 300 BLK for short.

[rsilvers]

You probably should have gone with a simple name like "300-221 Fireball". Similar to how Remington went with the name 25-06.

If we did, then people would shoot it in chambers marked 300-221 or 300 Fireball, and that may raise pressures. A new name was needed.

[Dacapster]

This is my United States Of WTFever! :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xz7_3n7xyDg&feature=player_detailpage

[320pf]

It is called 300 BLK for short.

Oh great, yet another name for the same cartridge! I think that I will just stick with the "300 WTF"

If we did, then people would shoot it in chambers marked 300-221 or 300 Fireball, and that may raise pressures. A new name was needed.


Well most of us that were shooting the 300 WTF had managed to get it worked out before AAC came around the "set us straight". We all just went with the 221 Fireball necked up to 30 cal. This shot well in SSK barrels and in the barrels marked "300-221 or 300 Fireball".

I suspect that you are going to tell us about the "longer" throat of your chamber but by your own arguments that you have made about the 6.8 SPC vs the 6.8 SPCII chambers over on the 68 forums the longer throat only drops pressure by about 2000-4000 psi. I have shot factory 300WTF in all of my 300WTF uppers and the velocities are all within about ±30 fps of my hand loads. My load data are from the Sierra and Hornaday manuals so they are not crazy hot loads.

As far as the price of upper and ammo and ammo components going down, your argument is not very compelling. I bought my first complete 300 WTF upper for $450 in 2007 and have built and sold about 10 since then. Ultimately, the cost depends on the components that go into making the upper. A Noveske barrel alone sells for about $350-$400.

The price that you give for brass at $1 each is not correct either. I was selling brass for about .30 each and I think that Hoser was selling it for less than that.

I am kind of liking the 300WTF name more and more.

[martineta]

I started out 10 years ago with a 300 whisper barrel from SSK and have acquired a number of barrels marked 300-221, 300 whisper , and my latest a 300 Blackout from MGM. All are great shooters using my Hornady 300 Whisper dies to load rounds. I for one am very happy AAC has promoted and got the cartridge standardized. New manufacturers daily it seems making a gun or cartridge. It looks like this new cartridge will be around awhile. Looking forward to the day where good bolt guns from several manufactures are designed around the cartridge. As soon as I read Remington, Ruger, Savage, or CZ has one that is 100% reliable bolt fed magazines, I will get one and give my single shots a rest. It I can't wait that long, I reckon a black gun AR platform will follow me home.

[rsilvers]

The price that you give for brass at $1 each is not correct either. I was selling brass for about .30 each and I think that Hoser was selling it for less than that.

Reformed brass though. Brass with correct head stamps was closer to $1 each. Reformed brass is 10-14 cents each now, depending on who is selling it and the quality.

[rsilvers]

I suspect that you are going to tell us about the "longer" throat of your chamber but by your own arguments that you have made about the 6.8 SPC vs the 6.8 SPCII chambers over on the 68 forums the longer throat only drops pressure by about 2000-4000 psi.

Actually in the 6.8 it is about 1500 psi difference between 6.8 SAAMI and SPC-II, which is not much at all.

If we kept an older name, then the factory test barrels would have to be based on the tightest chamber ever made with the old names, and then factory velocity would have been lower.

[rsilvers]

Well most of us that were shooting the 300 WTF had managed to get it worked out before AAC came around the "set us straight". We all just went with the 221 Fireball necked up to 30 cal. This shot well in SSK barrels and in the barrels marked "300-221 or 300 Fireball".

Before BLK, you generally had a requirement for an adjustable gas system to shoot subsonic and full power ammo in the same rifle. You also had reliability problems due to bullet/magazine compatibility. That is all fixed now - taking the concept to the next level.

[Alleycat]

It’s no different than Mopar guys referring to their car as a B-Body. The Charger, Roadrunner, GTX, Coronet, and Belvedere all had the same body with different trim. Most components are interchangeable. If I’m looking for a big block engine for my Charger, I would ask if anyone had a B or an RB for my B-Body. If I need a bumper for the same car, it would be for a Charger. If I say I own an F-body, Chevy guys know I have a Camaro, Trans Am or Firebird. Just because someone refers to it as 300 WTF does not mean they’re referring to only the Blackout. Most of the guys on this board don’t own a 300 Whisper, Blackout, 30-221, 300 fireball, they own several. A 125gr BT works well in all the chambering. It would be ridiculous to say that the 125 BT works well in the 300 Blackout, 300 Whisper, 30 fireball, and 30-221. Most of the things you say about the Blackout are valid. I made new brass for $0.18 a piece. I hate making brass and I don’t use mixed head stamps. The availability of the Blackout means I don’t have to if I don’t want to. Bullet technology will be better for the case. Most everything else we had before. The difference was that the mass uninformed gun buying public had no clue. When you take them into account more of your statements are valid. The Blackout is essentially the Cliff notes version of the Whisper. Some gun people are not tinkerers. The Blackout’s for them. I have one and I like it. If you love one you have to love them all. Your rhetoric seems to imply that all the 300 variants cease to exist when the Blackout was introduced. None of the Whisper owners have a problem with the Blackout. How you present the Blackout is what has bothered a few. Having a sense of humor about it may help you. You could always take Spook out for lunch sometime. Group helicopter pig hut anyone. Now it would be funny if you took the picture of you next to the helicopter an added the caption “Preparing for the airstrike on Quorterbore”. Lighten up a bit.

[Alleycat]

Before BLK, you generally had a requirement for an adjustable gas system to shoot subsonic and full power ammo in the same rifle. You also had reliability problems due to bullet/magazine compatibility. That is all fixed now - taking the concept to the next level.

Wrong. Guys just got a small port and loaded short. Just like the Blackout. Model-1 sales guns all needed 1680 because of this. It was also common to throat them out because it was chambered in the 30-221.

[rsilvers]

I am kind of liking the 300WTF name more and more.

The reason for the 300 WTF term, at least for a few people, is to avoid acknowledging 300 BLK.

300 WTF is code for "I was using this before 300 BLK."

I know this is not everyone - others just have several chambers and need an all-inclusive term when talking about them all.

[rsilvers]

Wrong. Guys just got a small port and loaded short. Just like the Blackout. Model-1 sales guns all needed 1680 because of this. It was also common to throat them out because it was chambered in the 30-221.

True some guys set up their guns like that, and used A1680, but others did large port and could not shoot full power ammo. With Remington making subsonic ammo, Noveske changed their port to be compatible with the new ammo, and dozens of makers standardized on this configuration.

As for loading short - that is no longer needed. I got Sierra, Barnes, and Remington to make new bullets designed for 300 BLK and meant to be loaded to full mag length.

[Alleycat]

True some guys set up their guns like that, and used A1680, but others did large port and could not shoot full power ammo. With Remington making subsonic ammo, Noveske changed their port to be compatible with the new ammo, and dozens of makers standardized on this configuration.

As for loading short - that is no longer needed. I got Sierra, Barnes, and Remington to make new bullets designed for 300 BLK and meant to be loaded to full mag length.

And that's all good....

I hope everyone has a good Christmas. Robert, Santa got me a Ti-Rant. No hard feelings my brother.

[rsilvers]

Also there will be a jacketed lead plastic tipped bullet available to reloaders in 2012, fully optimal for mag length. Yes, have a Merry Christmas.

[Spook]

http://img4.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/15289/152895442f8cf11374df713c928c94e1cc760a22.jpg

No More 300 blk ... Monday I'm calling Kiff for a reamer thats .0005 longer in the throat and .0005 bigger in the shoulder and I'm calling it the "300 WTF."(R). :grin:

[rsilvers]

The new generation of bullets offer some benefits - the UMC is able to be loaded as long as 5.56mm ammo, as we did a large radius ogive designed to contact the magazine just right. Also, the reason it can be so long (to fill the mag to keep the rounds from sliding around, and to have a higher BC) and still be just 115 grains is the air pocket in the noise, like the Russian 7N6 bullet:

http://www.300blktalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=151&t=78183

http://shop.bullseyeindoorrange.com/images/008%20(800x601).jpg

http://www.cruffler.com/Features/OCT-01/545-CrossSection.jpg

The bullet is made like an OTM - sealed at the bottom, but then the nose is struck closed. The Sierra 125 Match is also like this. As well as two others due very soon, and then four more due later in 2012.

[rsilvers]

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_121/556417_6_8_VS_300_Blackout.html&page=4

This is how I typically see people use the term WTF. It is hard for me to sort out the people who use it endearingly vs to denigrate it.

The WTF for hunting? Now you have really lost your onion. Might be great for hitting steel or paper, if you are used to shooting mortars.

[Spook]

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_121/556417_6_8_VS_300_Blackout.html&page=4

This is how I typically see people use the term WTF. It is hard for me to sort out the people who use it endearingly vs to denigrate it.

...the truly amazing thing is this thread hasnt shown you that how you typically see anything doesnt matter much.

[Mike Bell]

SPOOK.....You didnt break that out of spite did you??:eek:

I feel a distrurbance in the force, I do......:rolleyes:

Anyways...........

I use the "WTF" term to mean all the 7.62x35 chambers before the BLK, usally only when Im typing it out on the internet.

I have a TP555 barrel and its a .300/221 but when speaking aloud to my cohorts, I refer to it as a whisper because they have known about the 300 Whisper story for a few years now.

But now.......and Robert will like this....... I tell them all, that its now called the 300 Blackout which standardized by AAC and a bunch of manufacturers are on board with it. Which makes getting factory ammo and building or buying guns easier and alot cheaper.

AAC is the hero and we all win ~:nanabang::nanabang::nanabang:


Personally, I think this back and forth jabbing BS is non-productive and not really worth the time to read but some of it is funny:grin:



So from this day foreward, I shall call it, trademark/copywrite and own....and I do proclaim it as now the .300 STFU! :grin::grin::grin:

Its official, :cool:

Later yall and on a serious note, yall be safe and have a good Christmas and Happy New years !

[Alleycat]

Does this mean that no one likes Rammstein? :grin:

[rsilvers]

Yes, I liked it.

This one has some graphic scenes so don't watch it if you have kids around:

http://video.mail.ru/mail/grigory_1960/167/508.html

[Titleiiredneck]

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_121/556417_6_8_VS_300_Blackout.html&page=4

This is how I typically see people use the term WTF. It is hard for me to sort out the people who use it endearingly vs to denigrate it.

Dude, I coined the term on here a long time ago so if you dont like it blame me. I started the term '300wtf aka 300 what the fuck ever' for the reason they are all basically the same and arguing about that fact is pointless.

Yes you did some research on it, and yes you got mfg's on board so pat yourself on the back about it. I could care less if your feelings were hurt with the term or if you are upset that someone thinks hunting with that round is not a good thing to do. I have shot wild pigs, deer,a feral dog or two, and even a friggin alligator with the 'wtf' round. All were dead with one shot. I have shot a few 600yd comp with a 'wtf' bolt gun I had built by GAP. and won. I truly love the little round but what pisses me off is that you act like it was created by aac and all they did was copy the 'wtf' and rename it the blackout (R).

Merry what the fuck ever christmas!

[Titleiiredneck]

http://img4.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/15289/152895442f8cf11374df713c928c94e1cc760a22.jpg

No More 300 blk ... Monday I'm calling Kiff for a reamer thats .0005 longer in the throat and .0005 bigger in the shoulder and I'm calling it the "300 WTF."(R). :grin:
:welcome:
Congrats Silvers, you have persuaded probally the best gunsmith you could have ever met enough to never ream another blackout chamber again!

[rsilvers]

I could care less if your feelings were hurt

Spook - are you going to tell him the correct phrase is that he "couldn't care less?"

[rsilvers]

Dude, I coined the term ... but what pisses me off

This is the trend I have noticed - the WTF term is used primarily by people upset at the 300 BLK. Half of them are 6.8 fans, and half of them are 300-221 fans. Ok, I just wanted to be sure. Now I know where you-all stand.

[320pf]

Before BLK, you generally had a requirement for an adjustable gas system to shoot subsonic and full power ammo in the same rifle. You also had reliability problems due to bullet/magazine compatibility. That is all fixed now - taking the concept to the next level.

This statement is not true either. ALL of the barrels that I designed and built do NOT "require" an adjustable gas system to shoot subsonic and full power ammo in the same rifle. My barrels can shoot subs with bullets as light as 165 g and supersonic loads. Typical velocities (from a 16" barrel) for a 150 gr and 125 gr bullets using loads listed in the Sierra manual is 2000 fps and 2250 fps.



True some guys set up their guns like that, and used A1680, but others did large port and could not shoot full power ammo. With Remington making subsonic ammo, Noveske changed their port to be compatible with the new ammo, and dozens of makers standardized on this configuration.

As for loading short - that is no longer needed. I got Sierra, Barnes, and Remington to make new bullets designed for 300 BLK and meant to be loaded to full mag length.

This is/was another solution to a non problem. Any of the "long" for weight bullets like the Speer 125 TNT, Nosler 125 Ballistic Tips, Berger 115, 125,135 gr match bullets etc... can be loaded to mag length. The Speer 125 TNT and the Nosler 125 BT all expand at the 300 WTF supersonic velocities.

Below are 125 gr Speer TNT loaded to mag length in a Bets-C mag. I shot this configuration at a few 3-gun matches about 4-5 years ago. I did not have any problems! With the exception of 110 gr bullet, I have never had any problems loading to mag length.

Maybe if you had come on this site when you first released the 300 AAC Blackout and simply thanked all of the 300 WTF wildcaters/developers here and acknowledged their efforts and expressed what a valuable resource that they created for you and your company AAC, you would not be getting such a bad time from folks.

Another suggestion. It might help if you substitute "we" for "I". For example:

"We have worked with Sierra, Barnes, and Remington to make new bullets designed for 300 BLK. etc..."

This might also help.

I would like to thank you for the contribution that you and AAC have made to this cartridge.
We are looking forward to see some new products.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.


http://www.quarterbore.net/forums/photopost/data/535/thumbs/300_FIreball_Beta-Ca.jpg (http://www.quarterbore.net/forums/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=424)

[rsilvers]

This statement is not true either. ALL of the barrels that I designed and built do NOT "require" an adjustable gas system to shoot subsonic and full power ammo in the same rifle. My barrels can shoot subs with bullets as light as 165 g and supersonic loads. Typical velocities (from a 16" barrel) for a 150 gr and 125 gr bullets using loads listed in the Sierra manual is 2000 fps and 2250 fps.

If you load the supersonic to 55,000 psi, and add a suppressor - will it or won't the full auto cyclic rate exceed Colt M4 specs? And if you shoot the subsonic without a suppressor, will or won't the cyclic rate be within Colt M4 specs? These are things we did on high speed video when setting all the specs.

[rsilvers]

This is/was another solution to a non problem. Any of the "long" for weight bullets like the Speer 125 TNT, Nosler 125 Ballistic Tips, Berger 115, 125,135 gr match bullets etc... can be loaded to mag length. The Speer 125 TNT and the Nosler 125 BT all expand at the 300 WTF supersonic velocities.

If one shoots tens of thousands of rounds, one can document statistical differences in reliability.

Thank you and Merry Christmas.

I really think you will like some of the bullets.

[rsilvers]

Maybe if you had come on this site when you first released the 300 AAC Blackout and simply thanked all of the 300 WTF wildcaters/developers here and acknowledged their efforts and expressed what a valuable resource that they created for you and your company AAC, you would not be getting such a bad time from folks.

I am sorry for not doing that. As you know, I polled here to see what preferences people had for supersonic bullets, and read about 220 vs 240, and learned about powders and rifle configurations that people liked. It is not just a valuable resource here, but was pretty much the only resource. I also learned about the cartridge OAL factor here and read everything. So thank you. I/we did not invent 300-221. The contribution was mostly bringing it to SAAMI so that more companies felt comfortable making guns and ammo. The future contribution will be getting all sorts of interesting factory loads out.

[TCCrewchief76]

I'm sure Spook still has the 300 BLK Match reamer he used to chamber my AR barrel...:grin:

Kevin

[gds]

Man I just wanted to show another deer I killed with my .300 blk. With a jab at naysayers of the concept, not start a pissing match with those that support the concept of the .300 blk.

For the record my barrel is a custom job made with a custom reamer, so it technically is not a .300 whisper, .300/221, or a .300 blackout. A good friend pushed me into the concept, did not really take much. A year later, AAC came out with the SAMMI standardization and called it the .300 AAC blackout, (something nobody else had bothered to do).

If and when i say .300 WTF I mean it as a joke just because there were different terms for basically the same thing.

I now call it the .300 Blackout, but I haven't changed anything I do in loading for it.

[Titleiiredneck]

Man I just wanted to show another deer I killed with my .300 blk. With a jab at naysayers of the concept, not start a pissing match with those that support the concept of the .300 blk.

For the record my barrel is a custom job made with a custom reamer, so it technically is not a .300 whisper, .300/221, or a .300 blackout. A good friend pushed me into the concept, did not really take much. A year later, AAC came out with the SAMMI standardization and called it the .300 AAC blackout, (something nobody else had bothered to do).

If and when i say .300 WTF I mean it as a joke just because there were different terms for basically the same thing.

I now call it the .300 Blackout, but I haven't changed anything I do in loading for it.
Unless it was cut with a blk reamer then its not, call it a wtf:grin:

Sorry your thread went to crap, mabye silvers will create a new thread next time to keep his beliefs in proper place with the subject.

[Alleycat]

Yes, I liked it.

This one has some graphic scenes so don't watch it if you have kids around:

http://video.mail.ru/mail/grigory_1960/167/508.html



If I knock my wife up tonight I’m suing the band!

[TNinfidel]

Wow, I'm new here and all I can say is I've never see so many cry babies anywhere else than maybe arfcom or the 6.8 forums. It is a close contest sadly.

Are Spook and Redneck 12 years old? Did someone steal their favorite toy or is being childish just a hobby? If spook is truly a gunsmith I wouldn't want him anywhere near my guns. Hell, he might throw a temper tantrum. The venom they spew on rsilvers is uncalled for and immature. I'm guessing this is perfectly acceptable behavior on Quarterbore?

AAC spent a lot of time and money to get 300 BLK standardized and SAAMI approved. Anyone can make rifles using this chambering and no royalties are payed to anyone. It's a win/win with a round similar to 7.62x39 but feeds reliably in the AR-15 platform and with so many possibilities subsonic and super. Why bitch and moan about that?

So much butt hurt and sour grapes from the 300-221/300 Whisper(R) and 6.8mm SPC guys. Maybe I should say, cult members instead. I have a 6.8 and my ass is not even a little tingly. I guess I'm just not as easily hurt by something that obviously is going to be the best thing to happen to the AR-15 since possibly, its creation.

JTFC :confused:

[Fritzcat]

TNinfedel, you may enjoy smoke blowed up your ass. You should read back 1 1/2 year or so an you may understand these guys point of view. rsivers has been here a long time reading and asking questions ( he calls R&D ), then ACC comes out with a (( all new wonder cartrige for everything and is better than the whisper because he engineered out all of the problems of the 300 whisper ect.)) Taking credit for all the development people here have done and shared with others and him. 300 Black Out will help people who just buy off the shelf get into the 300 game and will help with suppressors sales (( AAC )). On Arfcom a couple of threads people had trouble with 300 Black Out barrels and I tried to explain that its not the chambering but the Barrel Maker ( Many ) and others ask what will work or not and I suggest coming here and reading to understand loads and barrel configuration. I also suggest calling Spook or TP555 and they will give experienced answers and can chamber a barrel to what will work and they want and I even suggest a 300 Black Out chamber because of resale and they are the same.

[Fritzcat]

gds, Good hunting, how many deer can you harvest.

[gds]

We can harvest 2 antlered and as many antler-less as we want to. the original tag comes with 4 but you can get more pretty cheaply.

[Spook]

So much butt hurt and sour grapes from the 300-221/300 Whisper(R) and 6.8mm SPC guys. Maybe I should say, cult members instead. I have a 6.8 and my ass is not even a little tingly.

JTFC :confused:

...odd that you would arrive here to rescue your messiah and then tell us about your hurt butt and tingly ass....

Is this typical discussion at the website you and Bob usually post @?
I for one have no interest in your anatomy and prefer you discuss it elsewhere.

Merry Christmas to you in any instance. Have a Blessed and healthy New Year.

[Fritzcat]

This part of Texas we have been allowed only 1 Buck, but this year it has been upped to 2 Bucks and a doe on Thanksgiving weekend. We cannot use a suppressor on game animals, but anything legal on hogs make it fun.

[TNinfidel]

Yea, Merry Christmas too you too crybaby. Sorry, I don't have any messiahs. Maybe you could make acting like a man and not an angry little boy your New Year's resolution?


...odd that you would arrive here to rescue your messiah and then tell us about your hurt butt and tingly ass....

Is this typical discussion at the website you and Bob usually post @?
I for one have no interest in your anatomy and prefer you discuss it elsewhere.

Merry Christmas to you in any instance. Have a Blessed and healthy New Year.

[MIKEONE]

MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE!! lol this is the best thread ever!! :nanabang:

[Spook]

Yea, Merry Christmas too you too crybaby. Sorry, I don't have any messiahs. Maybe you could make acting like a man and not an angry little boy your New Year's resolution?

Son, you couldnt have been more transparent if you'd have signed on as "1st Colonel of the Tennessee Rump Rangers", going out of your way to join a site for the sole purpose of defending your mancrush...then telling the world about the sensations in your posterior aspect?
...truly a defining moment in internet history.


I do thank you for returning what I'm sure are your heartfelt wishes for my enjoyment of the holidays... I've heard that you people have good manners and are somewhat civilized. :welcome: to the site , Kindest Regards :wink:

[TNinfidel]

Real nice there spook my boy. A real class act.

[TCCrewchief76]

TN, I think you might want to give this a read:

http://www.amazon.com/How-Win-Friends-Influence-People/dp/1439167346

What you're doing so far isn't working real well for 'ya. Not trying to be an ass, but there are better ways to carry on a conversation with a complete stranger. You never know, if you and Spook had met at the range, you might have been good friends given the common ground (shooting) you share. Nobody here is a jerk from what I've seen with my time here, but you can't expect people to get defensive when you start calling them out...
Remember, in the end, we're all on the same team.

Respectfully,

The guy who doesn't want to make enemies from allies...

[sha-ul]

This is the trend I have noticed - the WTF term is used primarily by people upset at the 300 BLK. Half of them are 6.8 fans, and half of them are 300-221 fans. Ok, I just wanted to be sure. Now I know where you-all stand.

For me, the 300wtf is a tongue in cheek term of endearment, I a Barrel from Shilen marked one way, a set of dies from Redding that say something else, A loading manual from Hornady with data for a different flavor and a few boxes of 300blk ammo, for a slang nickname, 300 wtf works pretty well:tongue:


It's all in good fun.

[Retooferab]

For me, the 300wtf is a tongue in cheek term of endearment, I a Barrel from Shilen marked one way, a set of dies from Redding that say something else, A loading manual from Hornady with data for a different flavor and a few boxes of 300blk ammo, for a slang nickname, 300 wtf works pretty well:tongue:


It's all in good fun.

That's pretty much how I see it too!

[TNinfidel]

You are probably right TCCrewchief. I guess it was just a gut reaction to the childish venom spook and his buddies were spilling back a couple of pages ago. For example:

...the truly amazing thing is this thread hasnt shown you that how you typically see anything doesnt matter much.

That from spook and comments from 320pf, and titleiiredneck that are just meant to insult got under my skin. I don't think I'd care to be friends with these guys anyway if all they can manage is childish attacks and insults.

I apologize for the diversion. I will attempt to stay above all the bottom feeding insults and such and contribute something more meaningful to the forum.

[Spook]

and contribute something more meaningful to the forum.

Unlike every one of your posts thus far......
This should be riveting as it appears you've already typed your entire vocabulary...twice.

[sha-ul]

Gentlemen, no fighting, this is the war room.:tongue:

[gds]

Not that it is all that important:rolleyes:, but my 300 blkout harvested another one this evening. the 4th one I have taken plus the one my daughter shot.

200gr prototype low velocity expander
935 fps

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j243/gdsjr/hunting/300blackoutLVEdoe001jpg.jpg

Entrance
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j243/gdsjr/hunting/300blackoutLVEdoe008jpg.jpg

exit
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j243/gdsjr/hunting/300blackoutLVEdoe009jpg.jpg

Lung
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j243/gdsjr/hunting/300blackoutLVEdoe010jpg.jpg

I was actually going for a neck shot but she was quartering me more than I thought. she only made it about 40 yds into a thicket where she laid down

[Titleiiredneck]

You are probably right TCCrewchief. I guess it was just a gut reaction to the childish venom spook and his buddies were spilling back a couple of pages ago. For example:



That from spook and comments from 320pf, and titleiiredneck that are just meant to insult got under my skin. I don't think I'd care to be friends with these guys anyway if all they can manage is childish attacks and insults.

I apologize for the diversion. I will attempt to stay above all the bottom feeding insults and such and contribute something more meaningful to the forum.

Why not just keep your thoughts to yourself, you have no idea what we do or know so I think it would be best. You may be a AAC fanboy and thats your right but its best to just keep your mouth shut and keep drinking the koolaid from AAC.

Happy holidays and all that!

[Spook]

Redneck do a google on this clown, explains why silvers left the building and left Colonel Jinglenuts twistin' in the wind.

[Titleiiredneck]

Redneck do a google on this clown, explains why silvers left the building and left Colonel Jinglenuts twistin' in the wind.

I saw, quite the racist fucktard too.

[TNinfidel]

I saw, quite the racist fucktard too.

Maybe you would like to explain exactly why you think I am a "racist fucktard"?

You guys really are class acts...:rolleyes:

[Titleiiredneck]

Maybe you would like to explain exactly why you think I am a "racist fucktard"?

You guys really are class acts...:rolleyes:

You hate muslims, what other race/religion?

[TNinfidel]

You hate muslims, what other race/religion?

Muslims are of every race and pigmentation, how does race enter the picture? You sound like a leftist or an Islamist with the intellectually dishonest cry of racism when anyone expresses the dislike the of violent, misogynist, barbaric death cult of Islam.

I do not hate Muslims. I never have said that. Instead, I feel sorry for the many of them that are trapped in Islam(the punishment for leaving Islam is death) or ignorant of the teachings of the 7th century mass murdering pedophile Muhammad (their so called "prophet").

What I hate is Islamic terror, honor killing, female genital mutilation, subjugation of women, the persecution, rape and murder of Christians, Jews, Hindus and Buddhist living in Muslim majority countries.

So, tell me again how am I racist?

[Spook]

You hate muslims, what other race/religion?

...appears to be a devout atheist, my guess is all of them from the atheists that I've met.
http://67.220.220.61/conservative-in-yakima/muslim-family-day-at-six-flags-park-just-an-innocent-outing-for-family-oriented-religious-folk

Love this one. Homeland Security has got to be so far up his ass that when Janet farts he has bad breath. Just kidding Jan, great work on the border :rolleyes:
http://haley2012.info/?p=17048

Wouldnt voting him out of office suffice? Does this qualify as "spewed venom"?. Does wanting someone hanged for representing their constituency strike you as a state of emotional maturation?

[rsilvers]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

An ad hominem (Latin for "to the man" or "to the person"), short for argumentum ad hominem, is an attempt to negate the truth of a claim by pointing out a negative characteristic or belief of the person supporting it. Ad hominem reasoning is normally described as a logical fallacy.

[rsilvers]

This guy is using WTF to mean BLK specifically:

http://68forums.com/forums/showthread.php?25578-300-whisper-to-300-blackout&p=267553#post267553

"The Wisper has a shorter lead and is more accurate than the 300 WTF so I would keep the Wisper chamber."

[pud-knocker]

And this guy wrote "cry me a river"


http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justin_Timberlake

[sha-ul]

This guy is using WTF to mean BLK specifically:

http://68forums.com/forums/showthread.php?25578-300-whisper-to-300-blackout&p=267553#post267553

"The Wisper has a shorter lead and is more accurate than the 300 WTF so I would keep the Wisper chamber."

see a post like that automatically gets processed by my internal bs filter(maybe it's because I read it too fast :o ) I wouldn't get too worked up over it.

here's something to think about, Is it possible to make a gauge of some sort that would act as a go/no-go for an older chamber? For example, many older chambers you had to turn the necks if you trimmed 223 brass, but were ok with 221 brass expanded, My Shilen blank was made with a 300/221 no-turn chamber. So I don't have that issue, but there is still the lead issue.
But if the tool would only slip onto a safe chamber with light finger pressure, but would not seat on too short of a lead. Maybe a 2 piece, outer chamber gauge to measure neck& shoulder, with a plunger for the throat portion.

[Alleycat]

This guy is using WTF to mean BLK specifically:

http://68forums.com/forums/showthread.php?25578-300-whisper-to-300-blackout&p=267553#post267553

"The Wisper has a shorter lead and is more accurate than the 300 WTF so I would keep the Wisper chamber."

This is wrong.


Everybody knows the 6.5 is a superior caliber when compared to the 6.8.:grin: http://i723.photobucket.com/albums/ww231/2kfrc5/stirpot.gif

[rsilvers]

He warns people to not buy any 6.8 SAAMI rifle because the throat is shorter than the 6.8 SPC-II - and it is recommended to have the longer throat to shoot all types of ammo - and yet then he tells someone to not get a BLK chamber - even though having one allows one to ensure you are in spec to shoot BLK ammo.

If the concept applies to 300 BLK, it would also apply to 6.8 SPC-II. But pointing that out makes their heads explode.

[rsilvers]

Everybody knows the 6.5 is a superior caliber when compared to the 6.8.:grin:

Hard to say. I think one has to factor in magazine and bolt reliability.

[justshoot]

Man I just wanted to show another deer I killed with my .300 blk. With a jab at naysayers of the concept, not start a pissing match with those that support the concept of the .300 blk.
-

That's all I was was trying to do also, was to just flip you some goodhearted shit about shooting a runt with your underpowered BLK .
Then this Thread went down Tits'up to the WTF Cal. .. I been LMAO with reading this tonight . It is still a good Thread .
You guys are really busting rsilvers Balls too . &' I understand ' reading & seeing all the the BLK shot show, YouTube hype, Product push/marketing w/the SAAMI spec. It's like he never gave any legitimacy/respect to .300/221 Rem. & all Life begins @ the BLK .

He does grandstand promote the shit out of 300 Blackout & say ..." it's the best thing since sliced bread ". 'BUT' I got to commend rsilvers for the going the extra mile & help take the 300/221 Rem. to the mainstream SAAMI . for a fact it does make 300/221 more legitimate . It can Not hurt anything & only make shooting a 300 WTF even better .
Look @ all the good factory ammo out there if you are Not Hand-loading @ a reasonable price helping people wanting to get started shooting the WTF or BLK . & Also it moves the 30-221 right in the backdoor for anyone working a Trade armed that is mandated to Only Use a factory build w/factory Ammo .

.300 AAC Blackout, It's Not just the Bastard Brother of 300/221 Rem./300 Whisper
SAAMI Spec. 300 BLK . ( imho ) ... IT'S ABOUT FUCKING TIME !
.

[ds762]

Why do you guys call 300 BLK 300 WTF? The final SAAMI standard is established and has arrived. The final name is known. It is 300 AAC Blackout.

Why might you ask? Simple .. your company politics and policies have left a bad taste in my mouth. I'll spend more money NOT to have a product with reference to AAC's theft of JD Jones's work.

I appreciate the fact that SAAMI standards will in the end benefit me as more companies will make products for a caliber I've been enjoying for a long time. But it doesn't mean I have to embrace your company with warm fuzzy hugs and start exchanging Christmas cards either!

Do I own an SSK product? NO. Would I own an AAC product? Hell no!