.300 Whisper - What do you use it for?

[PepeLP]

Hi guys,

I've been toying with the idea of getting a Whisper. I don't have any idea what I'd use it for other than as a neat toy.

Does anybody here use one in a practical application? (I'm not talking about military stuff here.)

Thanks,

Richard

[Murmur]

You can never have enough toys....and the whipser is one fun cartridge...
My use for the whisper is for hunting near built up areas where the sound of a gun shot will likely end up with the armed defenders squad turning up. The whisper is quiet un suppressed but if you can get your self a suppressor it will never cease to amaze at how little a pop a subsonic round makes.......

[Quarterbore]

The 300 whisper is very close in performace to the 30/30 or 7.62x39 in performance (supersonic loads) so it is a quite capable deer cartridge. This is what I plan to use my new rifle for...

http://www.300whisper.com/

[patwa]

I built mine on an AR15 for my eight year old, figuring it would not have much recoil, and the stock could be adjusted to her. I carried it when I took her deer hunting this year, but she did not want to shoot yet. I tried it out, and ended up killing four deer with it, including an 180 pound axis deer. They all dropped where shot. I think it has become MY deer rifle, and I will build another one for her. There is something to be said for a rifle that can kill deer, does nor kick, and does not deafen me.

[Wrangler]

Very clever alibi for a gun and an excuse to build another. I wond up buying a S&W 32HR mag revlover for my young son when he wanted something bigger that a 22 at 7 yo. Now, he is 22 and still has it along with several others I got likethe Remington 20ga. I got before her could walk. Not too bad a shot now and a great hunting partner for the old man. Oh yes, When he could first hold a rifle I bought him a Daisy 22 with the adjustable stock. Too bad they don't still make one for kid to learn on. The Ar15 seems like a great choice.

[pmc]

I hunt in the suburbs and on property soon to be developed. It makes a wonderful 100 yard deer gun that doesn't freak out everyone in the nearby neighborhood. Plus as one guy told me It's a neat gadget at the range.

Pmc

[Artful]

I will be honest - I got it to shoot dirt and paper :grin:

I may use for hunting or if something social came along.

It's just that I wanted a dedicated AR that was quiet and .223 wouldn't do that. I was thinking about other calibers but the Whisper just seemed so
versitile.

[mllm]

I too have been toying around with the purchase of a 300 whisper. I recently sold .257 contender I had JDJ (sskindustries.com)make. I could not get compfortable aligning the scope properly.
Turned around and bought an AR-15. It has a Krieger 20inch stainless barrel and matching gas (block? hope I said that properly) and hoage free floated barrell, and other goodies attached. I bought it in the hopes of having JD convert it to the whisper. I had never shot an AR-15 so I am a true newb here.
It shoots incredible as a 223. My first time out, I put the entire 20 round clip amost center at 100yards using ss109's. Even had a lot of the rounds over lapping each other. All this with a cheap bsa target scope that came with it. Even amazed the guy behind the counter at the range (indoor 100 yard range). He laughed at the bsa as I came in stating your gonna need to change that thing. As I exited the room, he quickly changed his mind after showing off my target. Of course we all know that scope is still gonna go!!!!
Now with this in mind, I am doubting the need to spend the $$ to have JD convert this to the 300. I dont reload my self and always doubted the quality of rounds I had loaded for my contender.
Guess I am looking for "reasons" to spend the $650 to convert my current barrell or the $1100 for JDJ to make me an entire new upper.
Thanks for all oppinions. (Constructive oppinions)

[320pf]

mllm,

Why would you want to take a well functioning and accurate 223 AR upper and change out the barrel. Given the low cost of an upper receiver and bolt carrier group, etc... just buy new parts.

JDJ makes a very nice 300 as do several other custom gunsmiths, but you are paying for a custom gun. A custom match grade AR barrel will run you about $400 to $500 plus another $300 to $500 in parts (upper receiver, bolt, bolt carrier group gas block etc...).

There are other sources, however, that make very good semi-custom 300's for about $400 to $500 complete.

Try Toni at Del-Ton Inc. He has been mentioned on this site. I have one of his uppers and I am very happy with it.


http://www.del-ton.com/AR_15_Conversion_Kits_300_Fireball_s/105.htm

You can also try Model-1-Sales. Check under "barrels"

http://www.model1sales.com



320pf

[interceptor]

Yeah, what he said. If that .223 shoots that well don't mess with it. Purchase another upper, it takes all of about 15 seconds to swap uppers on an AR. Optics stay with each, so you never lose zero. Same mags. Win-win situation.

Del-ton is spoken well of here, and I recently purchased a Model 1 (they call it .300 Fireball) and am pleased with it. They're about $375 for a plain upper, and closer to $500 for a complete upper.

[mllm]

I talked with JD via email today. He confirmed corbon is currently not producing the 300 whisper. As stated previously, I don't trust the local guy to reload. I would like to have a hunting round for the AR as the 223 is really small. Although I have 100 rounds of the 223- ss109's, and they are the nato light armor piercing rounds, (so I have been told) I am not confident of it's clean, 1 shot kill on a decent sized deer or hog.
I guess my question at this point is, what are my true options on purchasing 300 whisper rounds somewhere. Other question would be, if not the 300 whisper, is their a whisper round (differant caliber) that is produced and readily available for those who do not load themselves.
Thanks for the link on the 300 options.

[interceptor]

Well, there's this guy...

http://www.cnccartridge.com/sp300.htm

I'm getting the feeling you've never reloaded before, right?

[mllm]

Your correct. Even with my contender, I had a local shop doing the loading for me.

[320pf]

mllm,

Just a couple of comments. The 223-ss109 bullets are not designed to kill, but to really mess you uo and to penetrate light armor and really mess you up. You see a wounded soldier is much more of a liability to his squad than a dead one. So if you use 223-ss109's on a deer or hog you are most likely to wound the animal than kill it.

There are some premium 0.224 bullets that you can use like the 60gr Nosler partition that one can use on small deer etc... I have taken three small deer (Calif Black Tail ~130-180 lbs) using the Nosler 60gr partition and Speer and Barnes 70 gr bullets with a 22-250 (clocking 3200 fps or better) all one shot kills/stops... neck and head shots. One spin shot was a bit far back and required a second shot. I wanted to see just how well these bullets would work but I never recovered any of them.

All my ammo was all hand loaded chrono'ed etc... and produced groups 1 in. or better at 100 yrds. You can buy factory 223 60gr Nosler partition premium ammo from Federal. These will work on small deer and hogs given good shot placement.

If you decide to go with a 300-221 FIreball aka 300 Whisper(r). You are defiantly going to have to reload. Remember it IS a wildcat round. It will work very well for your intended targets (small deer and hogs).

You might want to give reloading a try. It is not all that difficult and is quite fun too.

320pf

[interceptor]

There really is nothing to reloading. If you wanted to get in, even on the cheap, it can be done. I'd browse local ads and find a single state press ($100), dies from Redding ($65), brass from Keith Davis here on the forum ($140/1k), micrometer ($25) and at your local gun shop primers ($20/1k), bullets ($25/100), and powder ($22/1lb). Well over half of this is a one time expense, as your primers, powder, and bullets are the only thing you technically lose per round fired.

If I may say so, reloading is relaxing, at least for me. Wonderful distraction after the usual grind at work. If you are thinking it's dangerous, don't. Been reloading since I was a kid. Start slow, break it down into easy steps. there are plenty of resources here on the forum, and links to even more. Plus I'd imagine you'll find all the help and encouragement you can stand here should you decide to go for it.

Think Nike, just do it.

[m21black]

I use my whispers for neighborhood cat hunting ... and also for deer hunting where the local liberal residence may complain about the noise.