Strange Buck-184 Buckmaster on ebay

[Quarterbore]

There are a few things that strike me as strange with this auction...

HERE IS THE AUCTION (http://www.qksrv.net/click-1671811-10381315?loc=http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll%3FViewItem%26item%3D6612111438&SID=buck184)

NOTE - This knife sold for $255.00 US

First Notice that the markings on the blade are upside down...

http://i12.ebayimg.com/01/i/06/7c/ff/d7_1.JPG

Obviously the sheath is not original but I notice that the seller also has one of the small pouches (http://www.qksrv.net/click-1671811-10381315?loc=http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll%3FViewItem%26item%3D6612119552&SID=buck184) so perhaps the seller needed the original sheath for another knife? The spikes are described as not being original...

I am really curious if this is a factory mutent just the same as if that is a factory knife with the markings engraved upside down it would be the first I have seen like this.

Here is the description from the auction:


*****PLEASE READ!!!--USA SHIPPING ONLY!!!--PAYMENT BY PAYPAL ONLY & DUE WITHIN 3 DAYS OF AUCTIONS END!!!--IF YOU CANT AGREE TO THIS, PLEASE DO NOT BID!!!***** UP FOR AUCTION: BUCKMASTER-BUCK 184< U.S.A. PAT PEND MODEL, WITH LEATHER SHEATH. This BUCKMASTER 184 is USED & has been carried and shows signs of use. Blade has been sharpend and is very sharp, about 1/4 inch of the tip of the blade broke off and has been re-done, but done right!! Saw back and serrations are near perfect, grapling pins are not original, they screw in to the hilt fine, No lanyard ring, Rubber O-ring on cap is there but it is broke and will need to be replaced, Cap screws in perfect. Leather sheath was made for a Randall 14/18 and is a perfect fit for this 184 & is in new condition. Has a front pouch for a sharpening stone (STONE NOT INCLUDED), snaps work perfect, has Tan Para cord leg strap and on top part of sheath to cinch the knife tight when being carried, sheath will slide on to a belt or pack strap. This Buck 184 will give the winning bidder a solid lifetime of use, strap it to your side or your pack and take it to the bush. .99 Cent opening, NO RESERVE, High bidder gets it. E-mail any questions, Please check out our other Auctions for other Knives and Military & Outdoor type gear that will be listed this week, I combine shipping on multiple auctions won, and Thank you for looking. Phil

[Quarterbore]

Here are the rest of the images from the auction....

[Quarterbore]

I had e-mailed the seller asking for more information about this knife and I just got the following reply:


Ken,

Hello, Thanks for your interest in the knife. I bought this knife with an original sheath(BUCK PAT PEND-on the sheath) but I needed it for one of my other blades, it also came with the compass & pouch that I am selling in my other auction.

You are right, the marking is upside down, I own 2 other pat pend buckmaster 184s and I just compared them. I never noticed that the marking was inverted, So is this a Factory MUTANT???

The grapling pins (not original) came with a All Black 184 and I just added them to this stainless since I do not need them. I hope this helps and the photos will be on there way to you shortly, Thanks again for looking and your interest.

Phil


I will upload the photos here when I get them as this is certainly a rare find even if it has been stripped of it's original scabbard and other parts!

Here are the new images I got of this knife!

http://www.buck-184.com/images/buck-184-upsidedown-01.jpg

http://www.buck-184.com/images/buck-184-upsidedown-02.jpg

http://www.buck-184.com/images/buck-184-upsidedown-03.jpg

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http://www.buck-184.com/images/buck-184-upsidedown-06.jpg

http://www.buck-184.com/images/buck-184-upsidedown-07.jpg

http://www.buck-184.com/images/buck-184-upsidedown-08.jpg

http://www.buck-184.com/images/buck-184-upsidedown-09.jpg

http://www.buck-184.com/images/buck-184-upsidedown-10.jpg

http://www.buck-184.com/images/buck-184-upsidedown-11.jpg

http://www.buck-184.com/images/buck-184-upsidedown-12.jpg

http://www.buck-184.com/images/buck-184-upsidedown-13.jpg

http://www.buck-184.com/images/buck-184-upsidedown-14.jpg

[mrassII]

It would seem to me for it to really be worth anything wouldnt it have to be untouched, By that I meen as no-one has ever touched it with a wet stone nor has anyone ever reshaped the blade, along with all its original accessorys.
I know some times pics can be decieving but looks like a lot of scratches on the blade and the edge looks funny. I am in no way an expert but I have dabbled a little, so it is only an oppinion

[porterkids]

Under normal circumstances this knife wouldn't have much going for it. It's missing the original spikes and the lanyard ring, replacement scabbard and the tip has been reshaped. Also as pointed out, the blade is rather scratched up from being sharpened. What it does have going for it is the stamp on the blade ricasso; it's upside down. This is either a mistake that slipped past the inspection process or it is a blade that came out of the factory by alternate means and was assembled by whomever owned it. I would be interested in looking inside the grip. There is a nut inside the grip that holds the grip and crossguard to the threaded blade tang. After this was assembled the bottom portion of the grip was filled with epoxy. If this knife was assembled outside the factory it probably doesn't have the epoxy fill in the grip.
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[Quarterbore]

I asked the seller and he advised...


Ken, Hello again. Yes, there is apoxy fill in the bottom of the handle, just like my other Buckmasters I own and others I have bought and sold. Thanks again.

Phil

[mrassII]

Under normal circumstances this knife wouldn't have much going for it. It's missing the original spikes and the lanyard ring, replacement scabbard and the tip has been reshaped. Also as pointed out, the blade is rather scratched up from being sharpened. What it does have going for it is the stamp on the blade ricasso; it's upside down. This is either a mistake that slipped past the inspection process or it is a blade that came out of the factory by alternate means and was assembled by whomever owned it. I would be interested in looking inside the grip. There is a nut inside the grip that holds the grip and crossguard to the threaded blade tang. After thei was assembled the bottom portion of the grip was filled with epoxy. If this knife was assembled outside the factory it probably doesn't have the epoxy fill in the grip.

So under that note. Is this thing worth anything with the condition it is in or is just a working mans knife now that it has been messed with. I see it is a little over 100.00. Sounds like it is one of the old winchesters you see all the time that someone has ruined the value on by drilling and tapping for a scope or other dreadfull things I have seen.:eek:

[porterkids]

I've said this many times, maybe not here before, but what is any of this stuff really worth? Simple answer is that it is worth only as much as someone is willing to pay you when you decide to sell it. You could have a knife that is "worth" $1000, but when you're trying to sell it and the highest offer you get is $500, what is the real value?

This knife is an oddity. To the right person it could be worth a lot. Others might say it's only good to be used as a field knife. It's all a matter of personal preference.
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[mrassII]

I've said this many times, maybe not here before, but what is any of this stuff really worth? Simple answer is that it is worth only as much as someone is willing to pay you when you decide to sell it. You could have a knife that is "worth" $1000, but when you're trying to sell it and the highest offer you get is $500, what is the real value?

This knife is an oddity. To the right person it could be worth a lot. Others might say it's only good to be used as a field knife. It's all a matter of personal preference.

I will agree with that as I have heard and seen it many times. I see guys at the Guns shows that go :eek: because they have cash in their pockets and what they want is right in front of them. They pay way to much for what they got. The seller is :grin: from ear to ear cause he knows he just made a hefty profit from someone,s uncontrollable impulse purchase.:bangin:
But they can look at their friends and say LOOK WHAT I JUST BOUGHT:fal:

[warrorone]

You always need to keep one thing in mind. As all of you know, the value of some things are mostly based upon what someone else is willing to pay. I've been guilty of that my self, paying way to much for something.

Anyone watch the Barrett Jackson Auction? There you go is a good example.

It works the other way as well. How many of you have found something you wanted that was so rediculously cheap that you just knew there had to be something wrong with it? Sometimes it turns out to be that the seller just don't know what the worth is and lets it go for a very low price.
I don't suppose anybody says, "Hey that's way too cheap, let me give you some more money".

[porterkids]

I have on several occassions told someone that they weren't asking enough and paid them more for an item (not on ebay, but private sales). This does two things; it gives me the peace of mind just knowing that I didn't screw someone and if that person has something to sell in the future, who do you think he's going to call first?
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