Official Rent Quarterbore's DPH AK-47 Flat Bending Jig - Second Tour

[Quarterbore]

NOTICE!!! This rotation of the Jig at these terms is NOW CLOSED!!!!

I have started a new thread to prepare for a 3rd Roation with different terms. If anybody wants to rent the jig and they are not on the list on Page 1 of this thread then you need to sign up in the new thread here:

http://www.quarterbore.net/forums/showthread.php?t=875

Members as listed below will get the jig as described in this thread before the 3rd Rotation starts!

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

My last round of renting (http://www.quarterbore.net/forums/showthread.php?t=306) my 555th jig just didn't work out so great and it became extremely frustrating for me because people didn't let me know when they got my tools, they don't take care of the tools when they used them, they didn't let me know when they are done, they took forever to ship them to the next person when they were done, they didn't let me know when they were shipped.... or they simply lied to me. I am very reluctant to try this again but I have had at least three people contact me to express interest in renting one of my jigs and honestly most guys where great.

The problem is still that the shipping from me plus any rent plus shipping back to me would cost a person about $56 or more (est $18 shipping w/ insurance + $20 rent + $18 to return). That is just too much money and that is why I was trying to run the rotation as I had done before so, I am going to give this ONE last try.... but before you sign up for this list:

You must agree to the following terms:

1. You will POST IN THIS THREAD when you receive the jig.
2. You will POST IN THIS THREAD when you are done using the jig.
3. You will pay shipping plus insurance for $200 WITH A TRACKING NUMBER.
4. You will POST IN THIS THREAD what the tracking number is as soon as you ship.
5. You MUST subscribe to this thread or allow e-mail from the board so that I can let you know when you should pay your rent and so that you will know what is happening.

As for costs, I am going to stick with the original cost structure...

Your Rent of $20 includes The use of a DPH Arms Flat bending Jig and my grease to do upto five flats. Each extra flat after five I would like to request that an extra $0.50 be paid to help cover the additional wear on the jig. You will also be expected to then ship the jig to the next person as described above. I will try to have two people paid in advance so that the jig can keep moving...

Examples:

You Bend 1 to 5 flats - $20 + shipping to next person
You Bend 6 flats - $20 + shipping to next person + $0.50 in the box)
You Bend 20 flats - $20 + shipping to next person + $7.50 in the box (15 extra at $0.50)
You host a build party and you all do 40 flats = $20 + shipping to next person + $17.50 in the box (5 included + 35 extra at $0.50/each)

Now, if you have someone over to use the jig or two people on the list live close to each other... you can build together or share the tools... all I ask is that you POST WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE and be aware that the person that is signed up here is responsible for my tools.

I will maintain a list here of who is on this list and where the jig is at based on the posts THAT YOU MAKE BELOW telling EVERYBODY where the jig is at....

So, please post below if you want on this list and your post asigns you your position in the line...

Jig Rotation List (Status)

2. mwebster
- IM sent via forums to Pay 8-Sep-2005
- PAID 9-Sept-2005 (Webster)
- Jig Shipped 9-9-2005 Tracking Number 1Z5AR53203000083448
- Should receive jig on 19-Sept-2005
- Jig received 19-Sept Finished 19-Sept
- Address for Darknight provided 19-Sept

3. Lanceman
- IM Sent via forums to send payment 19-Sept-2005
- Paid 20-Sept-2005 (49R912126H8580411)
- Will receive jig from mwebster
- Received jig 9-23-05

Jig returned to Quarterbore because of problems with the jig.

5. bigsexy408
- Requested Rent 27-Sept-2005
- Paid 28-Sept (rodriguez)
- Jig shipped from Quarterbore on 10/19 2005 Tracking Number 1Z5AR4350300076354
- Notified QB that he is done 10-30-05

6. KillJoy149
- IM sent via forums to Pay 30-Oct-2005
- Address provided to bigsexy408 1-Nov-2005

7. tuolumnejim
- asked to pay 11-06-2005
- payment received Nov-07-2005 (Martinez)
- Received jig frolm Killjoy 11-18-2005
- mondtster 's address provided 11-21-2005

8. mondtster
- Paid 11-20-2005 (Mondt in Sioux Falls, SD)
- Will be getting jig from tuolumnejim
- Sent DarkKnights address Dec 6, 2005

1. DarkKnight (Asked to Pay)
- IM sent via forums to Pay 8-Sep-2005
- PAID 9-9-2005 (Cho)
- dropped in line by request (waiting on press)
- IM sent 10-30-05 asking if ready to use jig
- Dropped in line again by request 11-01-05
- IM sent 11-06-05 asking if ready to use jig
- Dropped in line again by QB Nov-08-2005
- Dropped in line again 11-21-2005
- Received jig 12-11-2005
- Address for myco4you provided by QB 12/17/2005

9. myco4you
- Asked to pay rent Dec 11, 2005
- Sending Money Order
- Money order received 12/17/2005 - address provided above
- Done with the jig 27-Dec-2005 dodge15's address provided

10. dodge15
- Asked to pay Dec 15, 2005
- Paid PayPal Dec 18, 2005 (Davenport on LA)
- Address provided to above 27-Dec-2005
- Received jig 7-Jan-2006
- Done with jig 26-Jan-2006
- Address for mk1271 provided 27-Jan-2006

GREAT NEWS!!! I got the third DPH jig and it will be put into circulation as soon as I can find a good shipping box, wrenches, and more grease...

11. boatdoc
- Asked to pay 12-27-2005
- E-mail reminder sent 2-Jan-2006 (Will be deleted from list in 1-week)
- Dropped from the list by request 1-Jan-2006

12. Wrangler
- Asked to pay 12-27-2005
- Does not need the jig made his own!

14. fuzzy_dba
- Asked to pay 2-Jan-2006
- PAID 2-Jan-2006 T Shores
- Will get Jig #2 First (Shipping 15-Jan-2006)
- Jig shipped 16-Jan-2006
- Jig Delivered 1-18-2006
- Done with Jig 1-27-2006
- Yankeefan's Address provided 1-27-2006
-

15. mk1271 (Wants to pay via Money Order)
- PAID
- Willl be getting jig from dodge15
- Address provided to dodge15 on 26-Jan-2006
- Received jig 01-31-2006
- Done with jig 2-11-2006
- Address of theflatfoot provided 2-11-06

16. Yankeefan
- Asked to pay 15-Jan-2006
- Paid 16-Jan-2006 (Perkins)
- Address provided to fuzzy_dba 1-27-2006
- Will be getting Jig #2
- Jig received Feb 6 -2006
- Done with jig 2-Mar-2006
- Provded address for mondtster on 2-Mar-2006

17. theflatfoot
- Asked to pay 15-Jan-2006
- Paid 16-Jan-2006 (Satterfield)
- Will be getting the jig from mk1271
- Done with the jig 24-Feb-2006
- Tala's address provided 24-Feb-2006

18. Tala
- Asked to pay 1-30-2006
- Paid 2-1-2006 (Doesn't want the jig before 2-12!)
- Will be getting Jig #1 from theflatfoot
- Done with the Jig 4-Mar-2006
- RETURNING JIG #1 to QUARTERBORE for Inspection (TALA was Member #10 to use the jig)

19. mondtster
- Asked to pay (2nd use) 13-Feb-2006
- Payment received 13-Feb-2006
- Will be getting Jig #2 from Yankeefan
- Address provided 2-Mar-2006

20. d.hauser
- Paid 3-Mar-2006 (Hauser)
- Received Jig 30-Mar-2006
- Done with jig 13-Apr-2006
- Going to replace bolts & expects to ship jig Apr 17th
- Oldmanpaintball's address provided 13-Apr-2006

21. mightyt11
- Paid 3-Mar-2006 (Marrero)
- Quarterbore shipped Jig on 3-Apr-2006 (UPS Tracking 1Z5AR4350300573316)
- Jig delivered 6-Apr-2006
- Done 15-Apr-2006
- Provided with ixtow's name and address 15-Apr-2006

23. Oldmanpaintball
- Payment Requested 6-Apr-2006
- payment received 11-Apr (Benson)
- Will be getting jig from d.hauser

24. ixtow
- Payment mailed 3-Mar-2006
- payment received (Date uncertain)
- Will be getting jig from mightyt11
- done with the jig 1-May-2006 coaldogie's address provided 1-May-2006

25. coaldogie
- Payment Requested 7-Apr-2006
- Money Order received (Note to self - address in PM box)
- Will get jig #1 from ixtow
- Shipped 2-May-2006
- Indicated he will be done May 16th
- Address of ShuckersFan provided May 14th

26. ShuckersFan
- Payment Requested 23-Apr-2006
- Payment received 24-Apr-2006 (Plambeck)
- Will be getting Jig #1 from coaldogie


Following have been removed from list:

4. phoenix01 - REMOVED FROM LIST BY QB

22. Linear Thinker - by request

13. bigsexy408 (again)
- Asked to pay 12-28-2005
- Dropped one place in line by request 2-Jan-2006
- Asked to pay again 15-Jan-2006
- Dropped from list for no payment and no replies

22. dodge15 (again ;) )
- Purchased his own jig


Following are some links to help with bending your flats:

Very Good Write up by AK-Builder.com (http://ak-builder.com/ak/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=6)

[DarkKnight]

Hey QB,
I'm in for a rental, and thanks for making this possible for us!
:nanabang:

[Quarterbore]

Quick update... the jig is on it's way back to me and I should have it on Aug 30th... I will clean her up and replace any bolts that need to be replaced and do a test bend before I start sending her out again...

[Bloodsport2885]

Any chance you'll be renting this jig around next summer? or maybe Around christmas? Im not able to rent it until then, but would agree to all the terms and return it in good shape. Thanks

[Quarterbore]

Any chance you'll be renting this jig around next summer? or maybe Around christmas? Im not able to rent it until then, but would agree to all the terms and return it in good shape. Thanks

I don't know... alot depends on how this goes... Just the same, I am only renting the flat bending jig so if you have access to a press there is no reason to have to build anytime soon. I think I have about 4 or 5 flats that are all bent from testing the jigs that I still have not finished. These are now AK receivers and I keep them in the top of the gun safe so when I want to build I can just dig one out....

It's up to you, but flats are about $15 (or less) so you could order 5 or even 10 and bend them up and just put them away for any future builds you may want to do. With the jig I include everything you need except the press and a 12-ton press will likely do anything you need to ever do and you can get one for under $125.

Either way, if I am still renting the jig you can get it then or I can add you to the list when you have a press you can use.

[mwebster]

I also want to rent this jig, once it has been re-furbished. I have 5 flats on the way.

[Lanceman]

Hey Quarterbore, I would like to rent your jig when it becomes available. I have access to a press that will work and have 5 flats (probably more if I get the jig) that desire to be bent :) Anyway I am over at AR15.com or AK47.net under the same name plus if you want to check out the positive feedback on my e-bay account (I will provide on request) you will see I am trustworthy and do things in a timely manner. Officially sign me up please and I will check back in here to see what to do. Thanks, Lance

[xecutive]

I'm interested in renting. More interested in purchasing. xecutive@tmail.com

[phoenix01]

I'm interested in your jig rental. To be on the safe side I'll rent thru a locfal gunshopm I use regularly. These guys-Steve's Gun Shop is a Class III dealer & a great guy to boot. Please put US in line for the rental!
Regards, John B.-Phoenix01@comcast.net
As to drawings,etc. I'd like to get from you-
Glock Switch details,drawings with dimensions,& most anything else along these lines.

[Quarterbore]

As to drawings,etc. I'd like to get from you - Glock Switch details,drawings with dimensions,& most anything else along these lines.

Ummm, what makes you think I have these? You do know I am not an SOT, right? I do have some info from the Patent Office but it would take me longer to find it then it on one of my old disks then it would take you to search the US Patent Office for Glock and get it yourself...

UPDATE ON THE JIGS

I received BOTH jigs this week Weds and Thursday and bot jigs came back in good shape. I have a surprize for you all in that you will NOT be getting either of these jigs however! I just purchased a DPH jig that I will be sending out for this rental period. The DPH Jig has been shipped and I should have it next week.

I will be selling one of my two 555th jigs. The jig I will be selling is my Jig #2 from my previous rotation and I am looking to sell that for $100 + shipping. If anybody on the list wants that jig you have essenially first dibs (I did offer it to another guy) and first person that says they want it gets it...

I will be listing the jig for sale tomorrow or Sunday (9/3 or 9/4/05) at latest. I will be starting the list on the first post as soon as I have the DPH jig and I am sure that there is no issues with it. I will bend a flat and take some new pics and post directions as the DPH jig is essentailly the same as the 555th jig but I see damage on my 555th jig where guys just didn't do what they should have done. I hope with better instructions my tools will be better taken care of.

QB

[xecutive]

I would like to buy your jig. How would I go about doing so?
-Steve

[Quarterbore]

I would like to buy your jig. How would I go about doing so?
-Steve

Sold... Check your e-mail and I will get pics as soon as I can...

[bigsexy408]

i would love to rent this a jig at the end of this month

[Quarterbore]

Great News!!!

I finally got the DPH Jig and it looks great! It has the alignment pins and this baby is solid... I am going to bend a flat or two tonight and take lots of pics plus mark up the jig to help prevent some of the dammage that I saw with the old jigs. You will see in the pics...

I am starting the list now and the first two people on the list will be asked to pay. Sorry for the delay but this new jig is well worth the delay.

QB

[Quarterbore]

I used the jig tonight to bend a flat and the jig does a really nice job. I took 140 pics of the process and tools and it will take me some time to go through the files and pick the best and most important pics and cut down the images to a reasonable size and add text... I will try to get this done as soon as possible. The files at this point take up 118MB of disk space!

Following is a photo of the tools that I will be shipping:

http://www.quarterbore.com/dph-jig-01/tools-01.jpg
Note:
DPH Flat Bending Jig
One LONG Piece of Steel to be used BETWEEN Press arm and Jig
One Short Piece of Steel to be used between jig and hammer when poping jig out of form after bending flat
1 4mm Allen Wrench
1 5mm Allen Wrench
Can of all purpose grease and small brush to apply it with
(Note I will not be shipping my 12-ton press so you will need one to use the jig!)

I have uploaded a bunch of pics of the flat I bent tonight including some side by side pics of my new bent flat next to a 100% OOW receiver that I own. You can browse thos pictures here:

http://www.quarterbore.com/dph-jig-01/

[mwebster]

I am #2 on the list. I paid today and I am ready to go. Well, not really...my press is arriving on the 13th :D and my flats should be here any day. The timing should be perfect, since #1 could have it for more than a week right?

[DarkKnight]

Great! I just sent my paypal payment as well!
:nanabang:

[Quarterbore]

I am #2 on the list. I paid today and I am ready to go. Well, not really...my press is arriving on the 13th :D and my flats should be here any day. The timing should be perfect, since #1 could have it for more than a week right?

I did hear from DarkKnight and he will be paying soon. I will send the jig UPS Ground (remember we want a tracking number) so if he pays today and I can get this shipped today I really doubt he will be done before next weekend.

As an aside, if you look at my pics of my receiver you will see some scratches on the flat I bent. This was a new flat for me and it seemed that the steel was a little harder then the tapco flats I have used in the past as it seemed to take more force to bend these. This may be the reason for the scratches but these scratches will buff out and will be covered later.

I think if I was to have helped the jig out by LIGHTLY starting the bend before I put the jig "die" into the "form" that there may have been less marking as well. If anybody does decide to put a little pre-bend of the flat just remeber to be careful on how you do this to ensure that the bend occurs at the corner where you want the bend and not somewhere else... The other fix might be to sand and buff the top edge of the jig to remove the rough edges but as I said before, I never had these scratches with other flats so it may be something with this new flat I tried to use.

[KillJoy149]

SIGN ME UP! For the second round, that is!

I was on the first rotation, and everything worked perfect. I just would like a few more bent flats. I only did two the first time around.

KillJoy

[bigsexy408]

i cant waite im goin out tomorrow to buy a press

[Quarterbore]

Darknight... I screwed up and I am VERY sorry about it! I accidently sent the jig to mwebster who was second on the list. I had printed out the paypal slips and took them with me to ship the package and I just messed up. You will get it next and I am VERY SORRY!

SO everybody understands the pricing for shipping...

Shipping from me in PA to Monte in UT cost me $25.65 + $1.20 for insurance on the package ($26.85). Obviously given the rent is only $20 I need to have a few people rent the jig before I recover the inital sending the jig out.

[DarkKnight]

I just saw this note today.
That's ok, because I still have to get my butt over to HF or some place to buy a press.
Any chance we can get a rivet tool or a barrel press jig to rent as well?

BTW anyone in Northern VA looking to do this, and that doesn't have a press, you can buy my press off of me when I'm done. No room in my casa for such a big item....

[Quarterbore]

I just saw this note today.
That's ok, because I still have to get my butt over to HF or some place to buy a press.
Any chance we can get a rivet tool or a barrel press jig to rent as well?

BTW anyone in Northern VA looking to do this, and that doesn't have a press, you can buy my press off of me when I'm done. No room in my casa for such a big item....

Get your PRESS NOW... lookie here!!!

http://ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=4&f=51&t=75597

You don't need the 20-ton press as I have used a 12-ton for quite some time with no real problems but the extra working room that you gain with the 20-ton is nice. The 20-ton is on sale and they have a 20% off coupon that expires 9/15/2005 (tomorrow). Even though I havethe 12-ton I just went out and bought a 20-ton last night. I do not think the 12-ton is on sale but 20% is still pretty good even if you go with the smaller unit.

Now, if space is an issue, the 12-ton is nice as it is portable (Ie lighter). I can carry mine around by myself and it takes up very little room in a garrage or basement. I have found myself using my press for all kinds of stuff now that I have it... bending - flattening, squashing things, holding things while I drill or cut them, etc... A press is a handy tool or so I have found.

[DarkKnight]

Yeah, last week they had the 12 ton on sale for 109 or so, and stupid me missed it.

They also have a 12 ton with a A frame instead of the square frame. Would the A frame one be ok too?

The 6 ton is more in my price range, I just don't want to get one and find out it's barely what I need and I have a huge hassle with it.

[KillJoy149]

The 12-Ton A-Frame will work just fine.

It is currently on sale online for $99.

KillJoy

[Quarterbore]

I have used the 12-ton H-frame and I am moving up to the 20 to get more room... The 12-ton "A" will work as KillJoy149 said and is just a little smaller then the 12-ton "H" press as far as working area. The 6-ton is WAY TOO SMALL and you will no be able to press barrels or do a number of things you will need (want) to do with it. Print the advertisment for the 12-ton "A" press and the 20% off coupon and you will have a useful press for about $80. It is light enough that you can cary it around to where you want it so storage is pretty easy.

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=1667

[mwebster]

Have you seen this:

Homier 12 ton press (http://www.homier.com/detail.asp?dpt=&cat=&sku=03945)

It looks like the exact same press as the HF one. If you live in the right place, it might be cheaper, even with the shipping. It can ship to me for under $100. I noticed that shipping prices did go up recently....!@#$%^& gas prices.

:mad:

[tuolumnejim]

I was thinking about making a jig but for under 30.00 to rent it wont pay my time build one. For a reference just look up my name on Ebay and I post a bit on 1919a4.com.
Jim

P.S.
I only have 2 flats right now how much time would I have before it was shipped this way? I'll call Tapco and get 3 more.

[Quarterbore]

Glad to see you got on... You should have time to get your flats... Most people can bend their flats in a weekend but shipping takes a week between each person and some people can take a couple weeks... So, you likely have at least a month to get your flats and tapco has them in stock and ship within a day... ak-builder.com is slower in shipping but even they should be able to get you them.

[tuolumnejim]

Glad to see you got on... You should have time to get your flats... Most people can bend their flats in a weekend but shipping takes a week between each person and some people can take a couple weeks... So, you likely have at least a month to get your flats and tapco has them in stock and ship within a day... ak-builder.com is slower in shipping but even they should be able to get you them.
I'll get them ordered up this week, then I'll go on a bender :D .
Jim

[mondtster]

I am going to be building my first AK and would like to be added to the list.

Thanks!

[myco4you]

Add me to your list for the DPH rental.
Let me know when I should pay my share of the rental fee.

[mwebster]

OK QB,

The package was waiting for me when I got home from work tonight. A couple hours later my flats were done! Worked great. No issues, no problems. I repacked it exactly as it was and it is ready to roll. Email me the next victim's info and I will send it on. And THANKS for this rental gig....a nice thing for you to organize and setup. Everybody play nice and take care of the gear....or else.

:ak47:

Just an observation: The AK's I've built before were constructed on receivers from Coldsteel or the laser-cut fold-n-weld ones and they are much thicker and feel so much more solid than these bent flats. I guess I will see how they build. It seems like a trade between a solid receiver and all the "features" and ease of these flats.

[Quarterbore]

OK QB,

The package was waiting for me when I got home from work tonight. A couple hours later my flats were done! Worked great. No issues, no problems. I repacked it exactly as it was and it is ready to roll. Email me the next victim's info and I will send it on. And THANKS for this rental gig....a nice thing for you to organize and setup. Everybody play nice and take care of the gear....or else.

:ak47:

Just an observation: The AK's I've built before were constructed on receivers from Coldsteel or the laser-cut fold-n-weld ones and they are much thicker and feel so much more solid than these bent flats. I guess I will see how they build. It seems like a trade between a solid receiver and all the "features" and ease of these flats.

Yea, stamped receivers are a little thinner... look at some of my other threads here in the reinforcement plate especullay if you may shoot with a folded stock folded....

Sorry I never got the pics up for you as an example but it is pretty darned easy... I sent you a PM with the address for DarkKnight... Please post shipping info when the tools are shipped.

[Quarterbore]

Lanceman has been asked to pay now...

[DarkKnight]

QB,
My press isn't here yet. Can you skip me and ship it to the next guy? I just got on today and saw that the first guy was already done. I don't want to hold it up a week or more if I don't even have my press yet.

[Quarterbore]

QB,
My press isn't here yet. Can you skip me and ship it to the next guy? I just got on today and saw that the first guy was already done. I don't want to hold it up a week or more if I don't even have my press yet.

I will try... your address was already provided.... I'll update or perhaps mwebster can!

[mwebster]

Luckily, I have not shipped yet. Was going to on my way home from work (ina hour or so). Send me the next addr and I will send it there. QB, if you are waiting for $$ or commitment still, then I will just wait till someone is ready and you send me the info.

:uzi2:

[Quarterbore]

Luckily, I have not shipped yet. Was going to on my way home from work (ina hour or so). Send me the next addr and I will send it there. QB, if you are waiting for $$ or commitment still, then I will just wait till someone is ready and you send me the info.

:uzi2:

Good Show... I sent you a new address... Lanceman will get the jig next!

[mwebster]

Good Show... I sent you a new address... Lanceman will get the jig next!

Are you sure? Cause I am gonna send it! There is no stopping me now. Here it comes Lanceman. :D

[Lanceman]

Sounds good to me. I already have 5 flats on hand and four more should be here Friday so this will work out fine. Thanks.

[DarkKnight]

Great! Now I have a chance to get this friggin press in before it arrives! :D

[mwebster]

Shipped UPS today:

tracking #: 1Z5AE1300351650976
insured for: $200

Headed for Lance in FL.
EXPECTED DELIVERY DATE
Monday, September 26, 2005 End of Day

[Lanceman]

Received the jig this afternoon, everything looks good. I should be able to get over to my friend's shop, use his press, and be ready to ship the jig to the next person by Friday.

[Quarterbore]

Great news... I never got the photos or directions up on the web... do you need them?

Just remember a couple things when you press...

1. NEVER press directly on the top of the jig - That will damage my new jig!
2. When pressing, start slowely moving the jig end to end with a little bit of pressing each time - this will give you a cleaner corner with less streching of the receiver.
3. When bending the top rails over, use a light force as opposed to massive blows... work end to end and you can get he top rail to bend over with very few dents or dings... Make sure you hammer has a clean face and any dents or dings in it will end up in your rail! You may also want to use a good buck between the top rail and the hammer to spread the blow... I have a couple I bent using a piece of steel as a buck and they look as good as any factory receiver...

Otherwise, the directions posted in the thread on bending a Tapco flat is what you need... I will try to get the pics of this new jig up but my time is so limited and I want to get a couple of my own builds done too!

[DarkKnight]

My press is still MIA, so i might have to be skipped again. I'll post here when it arrives....

[Lanceman]

This is out of the blue but I have decided not to bend my flats and I will be selling all my kits and parts. Nothing wrong with the jig, it looks nice, but something else has come up :mad: Anyway it is right here in it's box ready to go so I will send it out as soon as I get the address. Thanks for the opportunity to rent the jig, sorry I tied it up for a few days.

(If anybody is interested in what I am getting rid of they can PM me for details.)

EDIT: Things changed and I am keeping my kits now, thanks to all that inquired about them though

[rigore]

What kind of kits, how many? I'll take it all off your hands if the price is right. Let me know a.s.a.p.

Thanks.

[Quarterbore]

This is out of the blue but I have decided not to bend my flats and I will be selling all my kits and parts. Nothing wrong with the jig, it looks nice, but something else has come up :mad: Anyway it is right here in it's box ready to go so I will send it out as soon as I get the address. Thanks for the opportunity to rent the jig, sorry I tied it up for a few days.

(If anybody is interested in what I am getting rid of they can PM me for details.)


Sorry to hear the bad news... are you sure you don't want to still bend your flats as a bent flat will keep for a LONG time...

I am also interested in what you may have but I am likely too far in the red to borrow enough for anything new... Still, PM sent!

[Quarterbore]

DarkKnight has an IM asking if he is ready to bend...

phoenix01 has been removed from the list - Sorry but I am not comfortable renting to you dude!

[phoenix01]

I'm interested in buying some jigs if you sell them. I'd rent BUT you have had problems so I'd prefer to just buy outright if that's possible. I could send you a check for the price of the jig & once I'm done with it I'd return it & you could refund the difference to me.
If you prefer I'll have you do the bending & drilling needed & I'd pay you for the effort. I'm also interested in the AR jig-the heavy duty one. I'm also interested in buying any plans for the Glock switch,Lightning links,DIAS',etc. For informational purposes only,naturally. Basically,if it's politicaly incorrect I am in.
I don't understand to this day why ex-military aren't allowed to own full autos as a matter of course. We can carry them & use them while on duty but in public life we can't have them unless we have a lot of cash to put out. The '86 ban needs to be repealed. It just puts f/a's in the hands of people that can afford to lay out 3-15K for what should be a relatively inexpensive weapon. It's a BS legal farce that needs correcting just like the magazine ban-but that's just opinion on my part.I'd lie to see interest in this matter.
My regards, John B

[Quarterbore]

You are confused... I am not selling the jig. I do have an AR-15 jig for doing an 80% lower but that is not for rent nor is it for sale. I do not have information on the full auto Glock stuff or as I indicated before I do not have info to share beyond what you can get at the patent office.

With a flat someone else can not bend the receiver for you and then send it to you... Once the flant is bent into a receiver the receiver is a firearm and must be handled as one. Perhaps you should start a new thread with more information on what you intend to do as perhaps you don't really want to do a flat at all. A 100% receiver is easier and doesn't require the tools it takes to build a flat.

I have a feeling this is not the correct deal for your needs and you would be best off buying your own jig at a website such as DPHArms or AK-Builder. This is a chance for guys to use mine so they don't need to buy a jig of their own.

Please confirm but I assume you want off this list. If you are interested in renting, it is as based on the first page of the thread.

[Quarterbore]

bigsexy408 has now been asked to pay his rent...

[DarkKnight]

QB,
Nope, I'm still waiting on my press, so I'll need to be skipped again. If it comes to me it's gonna sit for a few days, and I don't want to hold anyone up.

[Lanceman]

I want to apologize to everyone. My builds are back on now and I jumped the gun earlier by saying I didn't need the jig and was ready to send it on. Sorry for any confusion on my part, just all stressed out. With my current plan I should be ready to ship it out Monday to the next recipient. I feel like an ass now, yet somehow it is strangley normal to me...... Anyway things are back on track and I am excited about bending my own receivers once again. Thanks,
Lance

[Quarterbore]

No problem... I am sure the guys on the list would like to use the tools but I am also confident they are happy that you decided to build at least a couple...

phoenix01 has been removed from the rental list because this just did not seem like what he was after... I removed all his posts because of the questions he was asking had no business being on this forum.

[KillJoy149]

I agree w/ the removal 110%!

KillJoy

[tuolumnejim]

I also agree it looked like an ATF fishing trip.
Jim

[dodge15]

I'd like to get in on the rental please.

[Quarterbore]

I got an e-mail from Lanceman indicating that there are some minor issues with the jig. It seems the alignment pins have come free of the jig and he tried to fix it but felt it would be better if I repaired the jig.

So, the DPH jig is beng returned to me so that I can make the repairs. I will keep everybody informed of the status...

[KillJoy149]

Man, I'm sorry to hear about that.

I hope it is something that is easily repairable.

Did the Pin break, or pull out? Was it only held in by a friction fit, or some other means?

KillJoy

[Quarterbore]

We will have to see... it sounds like the pin may have been damaged before and held in by epoxy. The pin is only there to align the flat in the jig so it is not a structural part so epoxy should be fine to fix it. It sounds to me however that the pin had broke so it will need to get drilled out and because that pin is hardened steel it may be interesting to remove.

At this point I just need to get the jig and take a look at it...

[KillJoy149]

I have said it before, and I will say it again.

WHY THE HELL CAN PEOPLE NOT TAKE CARE OF OTHER'S TOOLS?!?!?!?!?!?

I cannot believe the disregard of other's property, especially when they are letting you use it!

If I were not on the list for rental, I would say to not let it go back out. No need to have your tools FUBAR'd by someone who is blatently ungrateful.

<rant off>

Killjoy

[Lanceman]

Shipped the jig back to Quarterbore today:

Tracking number: 1ZR3A0750340553366

The jig worked great for the first 5 flats, no problems. On the 6th one when I removed the plate both pins remained in the block instead of the plate. One had been held in by some type of epoxy and the other had broke where it was welded on the other side of the plate. I'm not sure what caused it. I was going to drill through the plate and tack the pins back in but I didn't have any lucky in that due to the hardness of the steel/weld. Don't know what else I could have done from there besides glueing them back in and letting them come out again on the next person.

[Quarterbore]

Guys,

I got the jig sometime in the past few days but I have not been at the house much. I have a bit of a crisis I am trying to help manage and I have not got to look at the jig yet. I need to get some things done and load the truck for some projects this weekend. If I get time I will look at the jig and see if there is a quick and easy way to fix the jig and get it out...

If I can't fix the alignment pins quickly, would a couple guys want to use the jig as is as all that would need to be done is measure the flat on each side to center it... that is the way my old 555th jig had worked and with the holes in the metal it should be easy to center...

Again, my family is dealing with a crisis at the moment so please understand if I am unable to get the jig back out for a couple days. I am not posting specifics of the crisis here as I do not want unneeded attention here... it will make sence in the future when I can share more!

[KillJoy149]

I'd still use it. Hell, if you want to send it out like it is, once it gets to me, I can get it repaired PROPERLY. I have all the needed tooling (Mini Mill) and have access to a 3-axis CNC Mill if needed.

I hope you get you home issues taken care of soon. Good luck.


KillJoy

[tuolumnejim]

I'd be willing to use it as is but it sounds like killjoy may have access to some machinery to fix it.
Jim

[Quarterbore]

I'd still use it. Hell, if you want to send it out like it is, once it gets to me, I can get it repaired PROPERLY. I have all the needed tooling (Mini Mill) and have access to a 3-axis CNC Mill if needed.

I hope you get you home issues taken care of soon. Good luck.


KillJoy

Send me your address via IM and I will let you have a go at it... I have way too much going on right now....

No rent is needed... if it costs you anything to fix it or I owe you anything for your efforts please let me know...

[boatdoc]

I would like to rent your bending jig if you can get it back up and running again. This is my first build and I only have one flat to bend. Don't worry about time, though. I'll still be here next whenever you and the jig are ready. Hope everything works out at home.

[myco4you]

What is the current status of the jig rental?
Looks like I might get my turn about Christmas at this rate!

[KillJoy149]

What is the current status of the jig rental?
Looks like I might get my turn about Christmas at this rate!

After just two uses, the Jig became damaged. It was shipped back to Quarterbore for repair. QB is having some family issues right now, so, the repair is taking a little time. Hopefully, it will go back out shortly.

KillJoy

[Quarterbore]

Thanks for updating this for me... For those that d not know my brother suffered a home invasion and details are here:

http://www.quarterbore.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=133

It has been a long couple weeks but a group of guys came out this past weekend and helped finish up some projects for my Brother and his family but it is still going to be a long hall.

I spent some time last week looking at what the problem was and it looks like the alignment pins were mounted off center just a little. I didn't notice when I bent my flat but it was a new jig and I only bent one with it before sending it out. With use the bin that was improperly located simply bent the steel around the pin until it finally worked it's way free.

I have two DPH jigs and I am going to spend some time tonight getting my other jig marked up like I did to the other jig and I will just send my other jig out. I wasn't originally going to do this but it looks like I am going to need to make a new bottom plate for the jig that is damaged and the locations of those holes are critical.

The biggest issue now is I need to make up a huge number of hours at work or I don't get paid and my wife is starting to lose patience with all my time distractions as well...

So, I need to stamp the other jig to make it clear that people hould not press directly on the jig, plus I am going to build a smaller shipping box to reduce the shipping costs, and then I will try to get this shipped tomorrow (Oct-18th).

Sorry for the huge delay...

[Quarterbore]

Now, if anybody that paid wants their money back, just let me know and I will get your money back to you...

Anybody that wants off the list, just let me know as well and I will remove you from the list...

[bigsexy408]

Now, if anybody that paid wants their money back, just let me know and I will get your money back to you...

Anybody that wants off the list, just let me know as well and I will remove you from the list...
i for one cant waite to get the jig. i am more then ready as well. hey how about including a piece inside the box for the press because honestly i wouldnt know wheret to get a small piece like that the hardware store? this is a one time use thing for me so if i have to buy one then ill have no problem leaving it in the box for the next guy .good luck to your brother and his family

[KillJoy149]

Hey, QB....my offer still stands for fixing the damaged Jig.

Just by your description, the hole the alignment pin sits in needs enlarged. Then, a piece of steel rod turned to press fit into the enlarged hole. Then the top part of that pin turned to the diameter of the hole in the Jig.

This is just my thought, actual milage may vary.

Don't worry about the timeframe on getting the Jig back out. Family first, then playthings :-)

KillJoy

[DarkKnight]

Hey, QB....my offer still stands for fixing the damaged Jig.

Just by your description, the hole the alignment pin sits in needs enlarged. Then, a piece of steel rod turned to press fit into the enlarged hole. Then the top part of that pin turned to the diameter of the hole in the Jig.

This is just my thought, actual milage may vary.

Don't worry about the timeframe on getting the Jig back out. Family first, then playthings :-)

KillJoy
Stupid question:
Is this thing under warranty? Did the guy who made it back it up?

[Quarterbore]

I have the jig all packed up... I didn't have the time tonight to stamp the living piss out of my second jig so PLEASE remember to NOT use your press rod directly on the jig... Use the steel flat stock as enclosed with the tools.

DarkKnight I sent you a IM asking if you have your press yet... The jig will ship tomorrow. Sorry again for the delay and if I can get the other jig fixed I may send that out as well.

QB

[Quarterbore]

I got a reply from DarkKnight...

DarkKnight

Re: Got your press yet? If yes, I Need your address again!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Quarterbore
Did you get your press yet? I have the jig all packed up... I didn't have the time tonight to stamp the living piss out of my second jig so PLEASE remember to NOT use your press rod directly on the jig... Use the steel flat stock as enclosed with the tools.


Better send it to the next guy on the list, I'm jammed up here.


E-mail sent to bigsexy408

[bigsexy408]

I got a reply from DarkKnight...



E-mail sent to bigsexy408
im good to go send it my way

[Quarterbore]

im good to go send it my way

Jig is sent ... Tracking Number 1Z5AR4350300076354 You should have the jig by next Wednesday 10/26/2005.

Note shipping cost $24.91 UPS Ground with $150 insurance.

[bigsexy408]

hey i just got a email from harbor frieght with a coupon for 20% off any single item. so you guys that need to buy your presses pm me or email me and ill forward the coupon to you.

[KillJoy149]

When does your coupon expire? I have one that expires today, but it only for retail orders.

KillJoy

[bigsexy408]

When does your coupon expire? I have one that expires today, but it only for retail orders.


KillJoy
the 26th and i think its only in store purchases

[KillJoy149]

Would I be able to get that link from you?

KillJoy

[bigsexy408]

Would I be able to get that link from you?

KillJoy
sure, pm me your address

[Wrangler]

Hi, I would like to be put on the list to rent the :ak47: jig. Where does the list stand now? Being a newbee I am very excited about building my first gun. Anyone in the El Paso area?

[tuolumnejim]

I see by the tracking for the jig that your in S.J. I'm not to far from you up by Sonora if you would like when you get it I can come down and bend with you throw my 20.00 in and split the shipping to next guy.
Jim

[Quarterbore]

I see by the tracking for the jig that your in S.J. I'm not to far from you up by Sonora if you would like when you get it I can come down and bend with you throw my 20.00 in and split the shipping to next guy.
Jim

If you guys are willing to get together you could simply split the original rent.. I still ask for $0.50/flat after five as obviously the jig is not going to last forever so I hope I can pay for the jig before I need to buy a replacement.

I am also willing you guy to do a hand off but if you want to still pay some rent that would help me out some as I have over $300 in the two jigs.

Just let me know what you guys do and who has the jig! Last go round I had problems with someone that figured he would try to be sneaky... you can see it in the last jig rental thread.

QB

[bigsexy408]

If you guys are willing to get together you could simply split the original rent.. I still ask for $0.50/flat after five as obviously the jig is not going to last forever so I hope I can pay for the jig before I need to buy a replacement.

I am also willing you guy to do a hand off but if you want to still pay some rent that would help me out some as I have over $300 in the two jigs.

Just let me know what you guys do and who has the jig! Last go round I had problems with someone that figured he would try to be sneaky... you can see it in the last jig rental thread.

QB
yea i will definitly keep you updated. its up to him what he wants to do

[KillJoy149]

There hasn't been an update yet, so, how goes the Jig?

KillJoy

[bigsexy408]

There hasn't been an update yet, so, how goes the Jig?

KillJoy
i got it and bent 2 flats yesterday its nice im goin to do 3 more today :nanabang:

[Quarterbore]

I got an IM from bigsexy408 that he is done... a PM was sent to DarkKnight to see if he is ready. KillJoy149 waqs asked to pay as well.

[KillJoy149]

Payment sent via PayPal.

KillJoy

[KillJoy149]

Just to keep this thread up-to-date, The Jig has been shipped from bigsexy to me via USPS.

KillJoy

[KillJoy149]

Jig received 11/05/05

KillJoy

[KillJoy149]

Hmmm..... Flat bending takes time! I should be done w/ the Jig mid to late week, no later than next weekend.

QB, if you want to get me the next address, I will get it shipped out as soon as I finish.

KillJoy

[bigsexy408]

Hmmm..... Flat bending takes time! I should be done w/ the Jig mid to late week, no later than next weekend.

QB, if you want to get me the next address, I will get it shipped out as soon as I finish.

KillJoy
take your time. on the top rails too. i messed up one of my recievers not to back just took a lil extra manipulation .

[Quarterbore]

tuolumnejim has been asked to pay his rent...

DarkKnight are you ready this time or would you perhaps like your money back? No offense but you have been by far the least interested renter I have ever seen ;) If you are not ready, I will have the jig go to tuolumnejim...

Let me know!

[bigsexy408]

i think i would like to get back on the list. i've caught the bug

[tuolumnejim]

tuolumnejim has been asked to pay his rent...

DarkKnight are you ready this time or would you perhaps like your money back? No offense but you have been by far the least interested renter I have ever seen ;) If you are not ready, I will have the jig go to tuolumnejim...

Let me know!
Paypal sent this AM. This is a great deal thanks Ken.
Jim

[bigsexy408]

Paypal sent this AM. This is a great deal thanks Ken.
Jim
when your done bending i have a spot welder i just bought

[Quarterbore]

when your done bending i have a spot welder i just bought

Like I said before... if you and tuolumnejim get together and you want to share the jig as a build party or team type thing that is fine with me... I just ask for a little money as per the terms for the extra flats because the jigs just don't last forever and I can't have the tools getting destroyed without them at least paying for themselves.

[KillJoy149]

Well boys and girls, I'm done with the Jig.

This is a damn fine piece of metal. Very nice design. Works well.

Where to now QB?

KillJoy

[Quarterbore]

Well boys and girls, I'm done with the Jig.

This is a damn fine piece of metal. Very nice design. Works well.

Where to now QB?

KillJoy

Send it to tuolumnejim as per my IM. I never got a reply from DarkKnight but when I asked last time he indicated he was swamped in his personal life. I am bumping him down a notch again to keep the jig moving!

[KillJoy149]

Man, after 2 months, I can't believe he is still interested.

I'll do my best to get the jig out tomorrow. I am getting off of work later than normal, but hopefully I will get off before the UPS store closes.

Too bad the Jig shipping can't be arranged better. It just came to me in OH from CA. I am now shipping it back to CA.

KillJoy

[DarkKnight]

Sorry i've been bumping myself down the list all the time. Yes I'm still interested!

[bigsexy408]

Man, after 2 months, I can't believe he is still interested.

I'll do my best to get the jig out tomorrow. I am getting off of work later than normal, but hopefully I will get off before the UPS store closes.

Too bad the Jig shipping can't be arranged better. It just came to me in OH from CA. I am now shipping it back to CA.

KillJoy
yup i didnt have a press available here for jim to use and i couldnt drive out to where he was at. so it didnt work out to well

[Quarterbore]

Man, after 2 months, I can't believe he is still interested.

I'll do my best to get the jig out tomorrow. I am getting off of work later than normal, but hopefully I will get off before the UPS store closes.

Too bad the Jig shipping can't be arranged better. It just came to me in OH from CA. I am now shipping it back to CA.

KillJoy

That is a Pain but I am not sure how to get around this and still make it fair (first come first use)... If I get the second jig fixed I might be able to keep one east coast and one west coast but even then we will have the jig trucking back and fourth from Maine to Florida or CA to Alaska...

If anybody has a suggestion I am all ears...

[KillJoy149]

There isn't really a way doing it F-C-F-S. It just makes the shipping time / charges a bit more.

Oh well

KillJoy

[KillJoy149]

I didn't get home today until after the UPS store had closed.

My wife is off tomorrow. I will have her get it out then.

Sorry for the delay guys.

KillJoy

[tuolumnejim]

I didn't get home today until after the UPS store had closed.

My wife is off tomorrow. I will have her get it out then.

Sorry for the delay guys.

KillJoy
No sweat, how did they come out?
Jim

[KillJoy149]

They came out perfectly! There was a little spring back after removing from the Jig, but a little hand pressure bent them straight and true.

Hopefully, the building of the rifles will go w/o error.

KillJoy

[KillJoy149]

Jig shipped 11/11/2005
UPS Ground

Good luck TJ!

KillJoy

[Quarterbore]

Jim,

I bet you got a shipping notice from me in your e-mail... I am trying to get a new copy of an AK builder DVD together and send it to you... when you get it just take a look and send it with the jig. I understand the other one with the jig had a scratch or something so it wasn't working.

Ken

[tuolumnejim]

Jim,

I bet you got a shipping notice from me in your e-mail... I am trying to get a new copy of an AK builder DVD together and send it to you... when you get it just take a look and send it with the jig. I understand the other one with the jig had a scratch or something so it wasn't working.

Ken
Ok no problem man(In my best Jamaican accent) :D .
Jim

[Quarterbore]

Looks like tuolumnejim got the jig Nov 18th and he says he should be done soon...

Darkknight, are you ready this time?

mondtster, you are getting a notice to pay your rent!

[tuolumnejim]

Yeperooni I'm done who is the next lucky contestant.
Jim

[mondtster]

Looks like tuolumnejim got the jig Nov 18th and he says he should be done soon...

Darkknight, are you ready this time?

mondtster, you are getting a notice to pay your rent!


Paypal sent. Thanks!

[Quarterbore]

I will give Darkknight another day to reply that he is ready... I sent him a PM and an e-mail...

Sorry for the delay!

[DarkKnight]

I got my press now, but I haven't gotten a chance to assemble it yet, skip me again please. I will be using it next time though!

[Quarterbore]

Yeperooni I'm done who is the next lucky contestant.
Jim

I sent you mondtster's address....

[Quarterbore]

Any updates?

Jig shipped?

[mondtster]

Any updates?

Jig shipped?


I got a PM saying the jig was shipped. Here is the tracking number I was provided with: 1z4t126e0394475032.

I'm guessing that I should see it late next week based on previous shipments I have received.

[tuolumnejim]

I got a PM saying the jig was shipped. Here is the tracking number I was provided with: 1z4t126e0394475032.

I'm guessing that I should see it late next week based on previous shipments I have received.
Yep it was shipped but when I went down to my UPS drop off they said no ground shipments were going out until monday(yesterday) for the holiday. I'll be watching it to.
Jim

[fuzzy_dba]

QB:
Can I be added to the end of the list for the jig rental?
About when do you expect that it would be available?
Is the rental still the sam?

Thanks, :bangin:

Terry in NC
(a.k.a. fuzzy_dba)

[Quarterbore]

QB:
Can I be added to the end of the list for the jig rental?
About when do you expect that it would be available?
Is the rental still the sam?

Thanks, :bangin:

Terry in NC
(a.k.a. fuzzy_dba)

I honestly can't predict how long it will be but yes the terms are pretty much the same as last rotation... see the first post in the thread for the changes.... You are added to the list!

[KillJoy149]

My best time turn-around is about 2 weeks per person, maybe more.

It takes about a week to ship in-between people,. then most have it for a week or so.

Just my opinion.

KillJoy

[mondtster]

Jig received 12/2/2005.

[mondtster]

Well, I finally got time to bend my flats last night. The jig worked flawlessly! :D

I've got everything in the box and ready to go to the next person as soon as I get a shipping address.

[Quarterbore]

I got my press now, but I haven't gotten a chance to assemble it yet, skip me again please. I will be using it next time though!

That would be you.... are you ready this time? Please confirm your address to me via IM as you paid SO long ago!

Thanks!
Ken

[mondtster]

I'm going to try and get it shipped out tomorrow. I'll post up with a tracking number as soon as it is in the mail.

Thanks for the jig usage!

[mk1271]

Quarterbore i have read your rules had would be happy to follow them. I would like to pay with a money order. will just need a mailing address for the money order.

[Yankeefan]

Hey Quarterbore,

I have read through your rules for the jig rental and definitely can abde by them. Me and a buddy each have five flats to bend so if I undertsnad you right then it is 20 for the rental, 2,50 for the extra five flats and then shipping. I would like to pay via paypal just let me know when to pay and I'll get right on it.

Thanks. :nanabang:

[Quarterbore]

Thanks guys... I have added you to the list. I try to have one person pre-paid so that if for some reason you lose interest or you buy your own jig that I don't need to refund money... As soon as the jig is received by DarkKnight I will send a notice to the next person on the list that they need to review the terms and pay their rent.

You have both been added to the rotation!
Ken

[mondtster]

The jig went out today via Fed Ex. Unfortunately the shipping guy where I work went home before I could get the tracking number from him. I'll edit this post tomorrow to add the tracking number as soon as I receive it.

EDIT: The tracking number is: 485453410010867.

[DarkKnight]

I received the jig today, unpacked it, and it looks ok, from my quick look.
I'm going to watch the movie that came with it now, so I'm off to get popcorn. Don't ruin the ending for me! :)

[Quarterbore]

I received the jig today, unpacked it, and it looks ok, from my quick look.
I'm going to watch the movie that came with it now, so I'm off to get popcorn. Don't ruin the ending for me! :)

Too bad.... if you don't want the spoiler don't look at the next line!!!

:ak47: - well, no full auto but you get the point!

myco4you has been asked to pay rent!

[theflatfoot]

I would like to be put on the list for use of your flat bending jig. I have read all the requirements and will comply with them as directed. Thank you.

theflatfoot

[DarkKnight]

I'll be ready to ship this tomorrow, can you send me the next address please?

[Quarterbore]

I have been swamped with work so I have not been able to get my mail the past couple days... myco4you's payment should be in my bx and I will try to verify that I have the check tomorrow morning if I can.

dodge15 has been asked to pay...

Sorry, I have been trying to keep one person ready and I just didn't ask early enough this time...

[Quarterbore]

I got myco4you's money order today (it may have been in the mail for a couple days) but I am stuck at work again and I don't have his address to provide at the mment... sorry guys!

myco4you - if you see this can you PM me your address so I can provide it and get the jig moving to you!

Darned work has been crazy...

[Tala]

I realize it may be March but please add me to the rental list.

[Quarterbore]

I wil add you... given the list is getting long (and I may have some time soon) I will try to get the other DPH jig repared finally and put both jigs into circulation. I worked an honest to god 77-hr billable work week last week and this week is just as busy but I HOPE that next week I will have some time to work on getting the other jig repared and back out...

Hell, I might get to finish some of my own builds or that tutorial I started months ago....

:nanabang:

[Quarterbore]

Guys, I just bought another DPH jig... yea I will be upto three now...

As soon as I get the new jig I will put it into circulation as I have just about paid for the one that we are circulating now from the rentals. Remember I need the jig to be used by about 3-people before I am covered for the inital shiping and the supplies I ship with the jig and I had to ship twice because of the damaged jig so I still have not managed to quite pay for the jig we have out much less the one that is dammaged!

Still, I will get the second jig and send it out ASAP as the line is getting pretty long now. I can use the damaged jig for my use or any build parties I may attend as it is until I get it fixed. I'll let everybody know how the new jig looks after I get it!

Here is the new jig: http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=7&f=123&t=315961

I hope some here will like the new!

QB

[DarkKnight]

I just dropped the jig off today for the next guy, it was shipped UPS ground, insured for $200, and the tracking number is:
1z 200 242 03 9424 1762

[mondtster]

Qearterbore, I would like to be put in line to rent one of your jigs again. I need to bend some more flats for future projects! :D

[d.hauser]

sign me up please.............i will be doing 5

[mightyt11]

Joined just so i could get in on a great opportunity to bend my flats

[myco4you]

I am finished with the jig.Ready to send to next person when address is received from Quarterbore.

[Quarterbore]

I am finished with the jig.Ready to send to next person when address is received from Quarterbore.

How does the box look that we have been shipping the jig in?

How does the jig and suplies look?

I am sending you the next address but I want to make sure that the package is still in good shape before it keeps going!

Also, I just received the third DPH jig that I purchased. I need to build a robust box for it and get some grease as well as the small tools needed but that jig should be ready to ship by this weekend if things go well.

Thanks!
Ken

[Linear Thinker]

Jig Rental - sign me up please.
LT

[mk1271]

you might try a corrogated plastic box :nanabang:

[Quarterbore]

you might try a corrogated plastic box :nanabang:

I actually just spent $95 on a Pelecan case for the new jig and if everything fits I will invest in a second... It just makes me nervous sending out quite this much $$$ and I was shipping in an over robust box but it was big so shipping cost a fortune... I hope the pelican case works out but we will see.

[fuzzy_dba]

Jig Rental paid via PayPal.

fuzzy_dba :D
(Terry in NC)

[dodge15]

Received jig from myco4you. Everything appears in order.

[mk1271]

I will have a check in the mail for Ken (Quarterbore) Monday :nanabang:

[mk1271]

check was sent monday :eek:

[Quarterbore]

fuzzy_dba,

You will be getting jig #2 first... (or is it jig #3?).... For the prupose of the rotations I will just refer to it as Jig #2. It is all packed up with grease, allen wrenches, instructional cd, and a fancy new case.

I expect shipping will be a little more because of the extra size and weight of the case but with the case inside a cardboard box we should be able to ship the tools for a LONG time before I have it fall apart.

I will post a tracking number tomorrow after it is on it's way!

Ken

[theflatfoot]

Quarterbore,

I have accepted the terms and paid my rental fee via PayPal.

Thank You,

theflatfoot

[mk1271]

I sent a check not a money order

Thanks

MIke :)

[theflatfoot]

That is correct my name is Satterfield.

theflatfoot

[fuzzy_dba]

QB: I received the jig and case this afternoon :nanabang: . One corner of the box was rounded, but in good condition.
It's going to take a few hours to go through the build DVD's.
-I'll keep uou posted on the status.

Terry in NC

[Linear Thinker]

Hi Ken,
Please remove me from the jig rental queue. Perhaps some time in the future...
Thank you,
LT

[dodge15]

Done with jig. Worked flawlessly. Please send next person's address.

[fuzzy_dba]

QB:
Completed working with jig: Very nice bends!
The **ONLY** thing is that the indexing pins will pull out. Reset them in the base, put the flat and bolt to the jig (holding jig overhead :rolleyes: ) and all is GREAT!!
Where does it need to go next?

Thanks,
Terry in NC
(fuzzy_dba)

[mightyt11]

Dahm and I can't cut in line :D

[dodge15]

Jig shipped to today to mk1271 via UPS. Tracking number 1Z60V0730358498163. Insured for $200. Expected deliver 1/31.

[fuzzy_dba]

Jig #2 Shipped to Yankeefan on the left coast ( :rolleyes: ) 01/30/2006.
Anticipated Delivery Date: Monday, 02/06/2006.

Shipped Via: UPS
Shipped on: 01/30/2006
Tracking Number: 1Z R27 32A 03 7210 036 8
Weight: 27.00 Lbs

Thanks QB! :D

Terry in NC

[Oldmanpaintball]

Quarter I finally got registered!!!!! Hoooray!!!


Please put me on the list.


OMP

[mk1271]

recieved jig everything looks ok I will keep the board posted of the progress:twoguns: :uzi2:

[mk1271]

Upon Reciving the jig shipping and packing was in tact . Jig did not look damaged.

However the plate with the locating pins sits off center on one end. It is off on the front trunnion side. When you have all the screws in except that one you can see the hole does not line up with the threaded hole , so when you tighten that screw it pulls it to the side a little.

I bent one you could see it was off by the holes on the bottom (paper weight):confused:

ie. mag hole

we had to drill the front pin hole on the flat bigger so we could get it to set in the jig on center, then we were able to get one bent on center

[Quarterbore]

Upon Reciving the jig shipping and packing was in tact . Jig did not look damaged.

However the plate with the locating pins sits off center on one end. It is off on the front trunnion side. When you have all the screws in except that one you can see the hole does not line up with the threaded hole , so when you tighten that screw it pulls it to the side a little.

I bent one you could see it was off by the holes on the bottom (paper weight):confused:

ie. mag hole

we had to drill the front pin hole on the flat bigger so we could get it to set in the jig on center, then we were able to get one bent on center

How bad is this and are you sure that their is a problem with the locating hole pins? I have not found the time to take a piece of 1.25-in steel and redrill it to make a replacemnt for the bottom plate for the other jig yet so I guess I will need to fix two of these...

I am curious if something looks bent or why this would be off center now? I bent several flats with that jig before it was sent out of my own plus I did a build party where another 10 or so AKs were built from flats done on that jig.

Please advise accordingly as if the jig has a problem I should have you return it and I will have to look it over and see if I can fix it or I will put it into retirement. This jig at least lasted just about as long as it needed to for me to recover the cost of the jig but man I wish these would last longer.

[falar47]

Hey QB I am working with MK1271 bending the flats......it is not the locating pins themself........it is the last bolt bolt hole for tightning that bar to the rest of the jig.........when you have the jig all together you can see and feel that the plate with the pins is off to one side it is only on the front trunnion side of the jig.......we are going to try another flat tonight and see what happens...........

[Quarterbore]

I see and I noticed that when I bent mine... What I did was snug things up and then use your fingers to line things up as best as possible. The flat does not get bent over this so when I bent my flats the receivers came out fine and the finished gun works great...

[mk1271]

Here is the latest :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile:

we are now enlarging the front trunnion pin hole and centering the flat better... I am very happy with the results...this method takes a little longer per flat but it works .... we have 6 flats bent and have 11 more to go.

[Yankeefan]

Got the jig today. I haven't had time to open it yet but will post tomorrow the condition of the contents.

[mk1271]

QB

I am done with the jig.... the jig worked for me as long as i drilled out the front locating hole on all of my flats and then centered the flat using dial calapers...end result I had 16 sucessful bends out of 17.....where do you want the jig to go now?:nanabang: :smile:

[Quarterbore]

QB

I am done with the jig.... the jig worked for me as long as i drilled out the front locating hole on all of my flats and then centered the flat using dial calapers...end result I had 16 sucessful bends out of 17.....where do you want the jig to go now?:nanabang: :smile:

When you drilled them out, how much did you have top open the hole? Would it be easier to just remove the front alignment pin and measure from there?

I have sent you the name of the next peron on the list. I will be away for much of this next week and I may not have internet access... just in case someone requests an address and you don't get a reply for a few days!

[ixtow]

After screwing up 2 flats trying to come up with a way to do this myself, I give up.

<i>I would like to be on the list.</i> I suppose I will be PMed by Admin for address to send my money to, and provide mine?

I'll be bending the remaining 8, so $20.00 + $1.50 + Shiping/Ins to next human. Hmmm... I wasted more goofing around with bad ideas... Haha! :rolleyes:

[Oldmanpaintball]

Get in line!!!



LOL.. Just kidding. I have ten flats and 12 ton press and a spot welder waiting in my garage. HURRRYYYY!!!


OMP

[mondtster]

Quarterbore,

I just paypaled you the rental fee.

Thanks for doing this for us!

[mk1271]

Jig has been sent to theflatfoot tracking #
1Z1R39A30300048144

[theflatfoot]

mk1271 & Quarterbore,

I received the jig today will advise as soon as I get finished with it.

Thank You,

theflatfoot

[theflatfoot]

Quarterbore,

I have finished with the jig.

Thank You,

theflatfoot

[Quarterbore]

First post is updated again...

[theflatfoot]

tala and Quarterbore,

I have shipped jig #1 with expected delivery of Wed. March 1st afternoon.

Tracking #1Z716X030395619650

Thank You,

theflatfoot

[Tala]

Jig received and looks in decent shape. bottom bar is looking a little bent but the screws should pull it in snugly.

[Yankeefan]

Jig is doen and ready to be sent to the next person. Thanks QB!!

[Quarterbore]

mondtster will be getting Jig #2 from Yankeefan

and

d.hauser and mightyt11 have been asked to pay

1st post updated yet again!

[mightyt11]

Excited and I can not wait :uzi2:

[d.hauser]

3:14 am cant log on to paypal...will keep trying..........sonofabitch !

[d.hauser]

rent payed..............yea !

[Tala]

We are done with the Jig

[Quarterbore]

We are done with the Jig

Jig #1 is heading back to Quarterbore for inspection... If the jig looks OK I will send it back out but this jig has been used by 10-people now so it is time for me to take a good look at it!

[Yankeefan]

Jig sent to mondtster via UPS yesterday.

Tracking number: 1Z0RW5680320167400

Thanks QB for a great product!!

[Quarterbore]

I received Jig #1 this morning and I will try to look the jig over and do a test bend... If the jig looks good I will send it back out ASAP.

[555th]

QB....

I'm glad things are going well with the jig rental..I linked this thread to someone over at Gunco that was looking to rent one.

555th

[Quarterbore]

coaldogie has requested to be added to the list but seems to be having trouble posting... coaldogie please post here when you get it figured out...

[mondtster]

I received the jig last night and it appears to have arrived intact.

Thanks QB!

[USMC8541]

I would like to get on the list. What is the ETA for waiting?

Thanks!

[mightyt11]

Soooooo ready to bend my 5 I positively can not wait :uzi2:

[Quarterbore]

I finally got to look at Jig #1 and it needs some repairs... These juigs are rugged byt after 10-people used the jig things are bent. The bottom plate will need some serious help as the two ends are bent upwards so that the center part of the bottom plate now does not remain flush to the jig. What this means is that the bottom of the flat I just bent required quite a bit of hammer work to get flat.

I will see if I can get a replacement plate... Until then there will just be the one jig out on rotation.

Another option I have is to put my 1st jig back out without the alignment pins... That jig has very little use on it but it would require people to measure their flat to center it in the jig...

I welcome any oppinions on the 2nd option.

[Oldmanpaintball]

Or you could send me the broken jig and I can make a new base plate for it.


I have both a mill and lathe and lots of 1/4 CRS lying around.


Matt

email me if interested.


armadillo@turbonet.com

[ixtow]

Or you could send me the broken jig and I can make a new base plate for it.


I have both a mill and lathe and lots of 1/4 CRS lying around.


Matt

email me if interested.


armadillo@turbonet.com

I second that motion. I also have a lathe and a mill, I just lack the material...

Point being, QB is lending us his personal tools, we can at least help maintain them. And this after how badly it went the first time.

[Quarterbore]

I have no bad fealings on this at all... This last jig got through 10 people so the jig is pretty much paid for.

Now, if you guys are willing to try to fix the jigs, I am more then willing to send you each one of the two jigs that need to get fixed. One of the two jigs is a much tougher fix as one of the two alignment pins are missing.

The second is this jig where the bottom plate is just bent.. Right now I squared the jig up and I have my 20-ton press holding the plate tight up against the bottom of the jig to see if the steel will go back. Honestly, I know it really won't help a lot but it was worth the try.

So anyways, I will send either or both of you the jigs if you think you have the time... as for steel, I can see what I have here at home or I will go shopping so I can send steel that matches what these bottom plates were made of originally. I will even pay you guys for your time plus you can test the jigs while you have them...

I have just been so busy at work lately that I really don't know when I will get the time to make a new bottom... It does seem that the weakest point on the DPH jigs is the bottom plate but better then the main jig body bending like the first round.

PM me if you guys are serious!
Ken

[mondtster]

Quarterbore, I finished my turn with the jig.

When I originally received the jig I did not take it apart until I was ready to bend the flats. At that time I unbolted the bottom plate and found that both locating pins were loose from the bottom plate (before I started use). I found that the jig was still usable (I carefully bent all of mine), however I thought I would mention it so you can decide whether or not to keep passing it along to others to use or have it come back for repair. It really doesn't look like it would take much to fix, but I don't have a lot of time in the next few weeks to take care of it for you.

Thanks again for letting me rent this!
Mondtster

[Quarterbore]

Quarterbore, I finished my turn with the jig.

When I originally received the jig I did not take it apart until I was ready to bend the flats. At that time I unbolted the bottom plate and found that both locating pins were loose from the bottom plate (before I started use). I found that the jig was still usable (I carefully bent all of mine), however I thought I would mention it so you can decide whether or not to keep passing it along to others to use or have it come back for repair. It really doesn't look like it would take much to fix, but I don't have a lot of time in the next few weeks to take care of it for you.

Thanks again for letting me rent this!
Mondtster

Thanks! The alignment pins are only there to center the flat so as long as they don't get lost the jig will be fine... I will send you the next address for d.hauser via PM now!

If you don't mind, can you include a note with the jig advising people to be careful about thse pins?

Thanks!

[mondtster]

I'll enclose a note inside the case for you.

The jig will hopefully get shipped out tomorrow.

[Oldmanpaintball]

Did you get a chance to ship any of the broken jigs yet?


Matt

[Quarterbore]

Did you get a chance to ship any of the broken jigs yet?


Matt

Sorry I did not BUT I did get to play with the jigs a little and I think I need to get some photos of the jig as there is something a little strange...

I dug out my original DPH jig and out of curiosity I stuck what I thought was the bent lower plate with the pins on Jig #1 and it looks pretty good. When I tightened up the screws it looks like that jig should work fine?

Next, I took the bottom plate that holds the flat to the jig from my #1 jig and tried that on jig #2... that jig has a pretty big arc on the surface where the plate gets attached...

I fail to see how anybody could have bent the jig body itself as that is a very serious piece of steel... I have been working late a lot and I really need to get some photos but right now it looks like the bottom plate on my original jig will work just fine. I plan to bend up another receiver and see if that works...

As for the 2nd jig, I have no idea what to think. It might be possible to chuck it up in a milling machine and mill the top flat but I just fail to see how this could have happened from use but I sure didn't notice it when it was first sent out.

I think I need a couple stiff drinks or some serious drugs as I am really perplexed by the two jigs but if I can get jig #1 back out I would be really happy as I doubt that jig was used to bend more then 10-flats before it had issues. I have done another 2 or 3 since without the alignment pins but still... 13 flats on a $130 jig isn't so great $/flat ratio.

Please give me until this weekend as on Saturday I will be able to bend up the receivers and get photos... I also do not have steel that is the correct size and I had tried my local hardware with no luck...

I appreciate the offer but you have to see what I am seeing OR I need someone to verify I am not going nuts somehow...?

[Oldmanpaintball]

If the center section is actually bent it may be garbage. You cant mill the base falt again because that would change the distance from the bottom of the receiver to the top rail bends. Send me some pics and I will tell you if I can fix it. As for steel, I planed on milling down what was needed anyway.


my email

armadillo@turbonet.com

Thanks

Matt

[mondtster]

OK guys, the jig is going out today via UPS. The tracking number is as follows:

1z5716350345677839

This is going UPS ground so I would expect it to arrive late next week. Thanks again Quarterbore!

[d.hauser]

yea!!!!!!!!!

[ShuckersFan]

Hey, was looking to buy a jig and I came accross your forum... Can I still get in on this jig rental?

Thanks!

[Quarterbore]

Hey, was looking to buy a jig and I came accross your forum... Can I still get in on this jig rental?

Thanks!

Sure can! If you decide you want to buy one sluggerman here on the forums is making an excellent 555th jig and selling them:

http://www.quarterbore.net/forums/showthread.php?t=682

I will add you to the list but if you change your mind just let me know...

[Oldmanpaintball]

Any luck getting those pics out or the jig boxed up?

Matt

[d.hauser]

received jig on 3-30, everything looks ok, i will tig weld the locator pins back in if there is no problems with me doing that. i will also replace the washers that go under the caphead screws, they are pretty messed up.

i will let you know just before i am done with it, to get next persons address.

thanks again...........


ps.
did you get the drive screws yet ken?

[Quarterbore]

I did get the drive screws... thanks! I also have no problems with you tacking the pins if you are sure but you have to be careful not to build up the material of the flat will not sit flush to the bottom plate and it will bend the bottom of the receivers out.

I think I would rather epoxy or a hi-strength loc-tite myself as these pins are only to center the flat... there is no requrement for strength there and the only worry would be that the pins get lost.

As for the other jig, I got hit hard at work with a short notice project and I have not had time to bend up a flat and test the other jig. I hope this weekend I can do it...

The jig body that looks like it is bent has about a 1/8-inch bow to it... I have not took photos yet as every night this week I got home well past dark.

I also got another pelican case so if my first DPH jig with the bottom plate from my second jig will work (I assume it will) I will be able to ship this jig out. I hope that I can get it out on Monday but I really don't want to ship until I am sure it is working correctly...

[Quarterbore]

Quick update as we need to head out... I finally got some time to take photos and to bend up a flat. The lower plate with the alignment pins from the first jig works great with the body of the second jig...

I bent up my flat in under 20-minutes with taking a few photos to provide more detail on how I bend my upper rails. The final flat is as nice as any flat I have ever bent...

Everything is square, the bottom recess for the Mag catch looks great, the top rails are nice...

I also received the Pelican case for the jig and I need to cut some foam so the jig and extras have a home like I did for Jig #3 that some of you got to see.

I will have this jig out on Monday to mightyt11.

The other jig really is beyond hope I am afraid but I will fight with that more later.

[Quarterbore]

1st post updated...

[coaldogie]

i would like to rent a bending jig


coaldogie

[Quarterbore]

NOTICE!!! This rotation of the Jig at these terms is NOW CLOSED!!!!

I have started a new thread to prepare for a 3rd Roation with different terms. If anybody wants to rent the jig and they are not on the list on Page 1 of this thread then you need to sign up in the new thread here:

http://www.quarterbore.net/forums/showthread.php?t=875

Please Sign up on the new thread at the new terms if you are interested!

[Oldmanpaintball]

Hey quarterbore whats you pay-pal id?


OMP

[mightyt11]

Received jig on the 6th just wanted to update the thread. Thanks

[coaldogie]

Quarterbore payment is on the way.

Thank you
coaldogie

[Oldmanpaintball]

Quaterbore I paid via PAYPAL yesterday morning......I JUST CANT WAIT ANY LONGER!!! LOL....




It seemed like it took months to get to me.....oh wait ....it did....lol.


Just kidding, thanks again for doing this.


OMP

[Quarterbore]

d.hauser PMed me to say he is done with the jig and I have provided the addtess of Oldmanpaintball. Te jig will not ship until Monday as d.hauser is going to replace the allen head bolts for us if he can get them over the weekend....

Thanks Again!

[mightyt11]

Quarterbore I need to know where to send my jig I am done and would like to get it going to where it needs to be. Thanks for the opportunity

[ixtow]

Quarterbore I need to know where to send my jig I am done and would like to get it going to where it needs to be. Thanks for the opportunity

Ooooooh Oooh! ME ME ME!

[Quarterbore]

Ooooooh Oooh! ME ME ME!

You would be correct! You guys have been PMed with address and info to ship the jig! Thanks!

[mightyt11]

ixtow

1Z74W5240312222146

[ixtow]

ixtow

1Z74W5240312222146

Woot! 2 days to happy time!

[Oldmanpaintball]

Any sign of my tracking number?


OMP

[Quarterbore]

Any sign of my tracking number?


OMP

Sorry, I managed to send a PM to myself that should have gone to you and d.hauser... Please check your PMs and I am very sorry...

[ixtow]

Woot! 2 days to happy time!

Or not, delivery rescheduled..........

I want you guys to run that tracking number. Tell me you see something a little funny about the locations, and the sequence of arrival/departure. It seems to have departed from a location PRIOR to arrival at it...... And then it went back again...... and was delayed 2 days from the original delivery date.

I already had reason to suspect that the Neo-Double-Lightning-Bolts might be watching. This makes one of my eyebrows twitch.

Luck favors the Paranoid. I need more ammo...

[ixtow]

Jig has arrived.

[ShuckersFan]

Payment sent... Now where's that jig? :nanabang:

[d.hauser]

omp,

your traking# is: 1ze85e140341455289

[Oldmanpaintball]

Got it, side screws are kinda scary, ordered a few extras. Might be a couple days late on the next ship.


OMP

[ixtow]

1z3y266r0344279531

[coaldogie]

the package arrived to day (under strange circumstance ) will check jig
later today and prepare to try bending later this week or next weekend

coaldogie

[Quarterbore]

the package arrived to day (under strange circumstance ) will check jig
later today and prepare to try bending later this week or next weekend

coaldogie

Glad you got the tools...

So, if you hear the black hellicopters and the thump of the boots out side... well, perhaps the UPS truck broke down and they are delivering a package for you :nanabang:

[ShuckersFan]

Don't be ridiculous, UPS only uses brown helicopters. It's they're evil competitor FemaEx that uses the black ones...

[Wrangler]

I want one too and I don't care what color it is. I can always repaint it.

[Oldmanpaintball]

This may be nothing but I am getting 20 thousandths worth of expanision on the jig when pressing. Should I be concerned?


OMP

[Quarterbore]

This may be nothing but I am getting 20 thousandths worth of expanision on the jig when pressing. Should I be concerned?


OMP

:confused:

20-thousandths .... Umm, how do you measure that.... this is an AK so I didn't think much other then headspace was measured with that much care....

:confused:

[Oldmanpaintball]

LOL, are you saying that I am overly anal? How dare you! Actually I put a magnet mounted dial indicator to the base while I was pressing. I then too a OD of the jig before and after pressing.


I am sure it will work fine. I am just that crazy.


Matt

I am hoping to be done with it this sunday. Sorry for the wait but screws were a little tricky to find. I will post when done.




MAtt

[Wrangler]

You sort paintballs by weight too? Might be fun to find out how consistant they are.....useless but fun.

[ixtow]

:confused:

20-thousandths .... Umm, how do you measure that.... this is an AK so I didn't think much other then headspace was measured with that much care....

:confused:

Headspace +/- .25" should be fine, right? :-P

I knew I shoulda got matching number kits.... :uzi2:

[coaldogie]

Bent the first flat today. After a lot of time I got it all the way down the jig only to find that I was off center. ( its a poor craftsman that blames his tools ) Darn tool so I am a poor craftsman. But we will do the other 4 Sat. afternoon. coaldogie