model1 sales

[SwampF0X]

Are the model 1 sales 300 fireball uppers any good? What kind of accuracy should I expect from one? I will be shooting heavy sub sonic bullets. I will add a suppressor and may even SBR it. Any recommendations before I buy one?

thanks,
swampf0x

[HUNTER2]

Thought I read somewhere that they quit selling them....

[mikel]

Thought I read somewhere that they quit selling them....

Nope. They still sell them. I got one about two weeks ago. Haven't used it enough to have any real feedback for the OP.

I got the full rifle kit, so far it seems to work as expected. The trigger has about a 15lb pull though... Seriously, it has the heaviest trigger I have ever seen on an AR.

[Scalce]

I am just basing these comments on what I have read on here and other boards but:

-the barrel accuracy can be hit or miss
-the carbine gas location is not ideal for subsonic
-the gas port size may need to be modified to cycle subsonic
-the throat length is long and you can't seat certain bullets to the lands without going over mag length

Any reason why you are not looking to just build your own from scratch?

Either way good luck with your build.

[Scalce]

I am just basing these comments on what I have read on here and other boards but:

-the barrel accuracy can be hit or miss (probably true of any barrel)
-the carbine gas location is not ideal for subsonic
-the gas port size may need to be modified to cycle subsonic
-the throat length is long and you can't seat certain bullets to the lands without going over mag length

Any reason why you are not looking to just build your own from scratch?

Either way good luck with your build.

[mikel]

The post by Scalce reminded me of something that I read here, people seem to have good luck with AA1680 and Lil'Gun in both sub and super-sonic loads with the M1S AR.


-the throat length is long and you can't seat certain bullets to the lands without going over mag length


Also, pay very close attention to this as you start to work up loads.

You may be a very experienced reloader and already know all of this, but someone else reading this thread may learn something.

On my M1S rifle I most definitely can get a bullet seated out far enough to get into the lands while still fitting in the mag. Did it, got the way over-pressured case to show for it...

A different bullet may not play out the same way, check your equipment and be careful.

Good luck and stay safe!

Mike

[Scalce]

The post by Scalce reminded me of something that I read here, people seem to have good luck with AA1680 and Lil'Gun in both sub and super-sonic loads with the M1S AR.



Also, pay very close attention to this as you start to work up loads.

You may be a very experienced reloader and already know all of this, but someone else reading this thread may learn something.

On my M1S rifle I most definitely can get a bullet seated out far enough to get into the lands while still fitting in the mag. Did it, got the way over-pressured case to show for it...

A different bullet may not play out the same way, check your equipment and be careful.

Good luck and stay safe!

Mike

Good point

It is not always the heavier bullets that can jam in the lands as the bullet profile is more important.

An example is my new barrel that can easily get 147 FMJs, 168/175 BTHPs, and 240 SMKs jammed into the lands at under mag length but the 208 Amax and 220 SMKs can be out to 2.6" and still not touch the throat.

I did get a chamber gauge cut from the guys who made my barrel which has been extremely useful in this regard.

You can always get a case that you know chambers and extracts correctly, cut 1 or 2 slits in the neck, clean up the burrs, and use that as a basic chamber measuring device.

[Rikky Lee]

SwampF0X: you've decided on the Whisper then for the sub-gun?

Sart saving your pennies for a bolt gun to run the 458 Socom - world of difference!

[SwampF0X]

I think I've decided on the 300 whisper. I think the 458 would just be to loud even suppressed. I want to build this on my AR and I want to use my existing mags as I have several, so that kinda limits me to the 300 or 458.

I've never done any real work on an AR so I don't know about changing barrels and such???? If its not that difficult, and if a bunch of speciality tools arn't needed, I would gladly build my own upper re-using the parts from my existing 223 upper. OR if anyone could recommend an AR smith that is reasonably priced I could go that route. Maybe send my upper off for a rebuild in 300 whisper or possibly 458 socom.

Somebody tell me the best way to go about this, as it is overwhelming me. My 223 upper is useless to me. I don't like nor need that caliber. A barrel and gas port swap is my preference.

thanks,
swampf0x

[BWE Firearms]

Swampfox,

Let me make your decision a little harder. We are just getting ready to release our 338 THUMPER. It uses 223 cases and mags. I hope to get some pictures up on our website in the next couple of days.

[TCCrewchief76]

Swampfox,

Let me make your decision a little harder. We are just getting ready to release our 338 THUMPER. It uses 223 cases and mags. I hope to get some pictures up on our website in the next couple of days.

Now that's just mean... :-) What a tease!

[TCCrewchief76]

I did get a chamber gauge cut from the guys who made my barrel which has been extremely useful in this regard.

You can always get a case that you know chambers and extracts correctly, cut 1 or 2 slits in the neck, clean up the burrs, and use that as a basic chamber measuring device.

Or you could have Hornady make you an OAL modified case to fit the Stoney Point COAL gauge...they will even do wildcats :-)

http://www.hornady.com/store/Modified-Cases/

Kevin

[SwampF0X]

Swampfox,

Let me make your decision a little harder. We are just getting ready to release our 338 THUMPER. It uses 223 cases and mags. I hope to get some pictures up on our website in the next couple of days.

I assume the 338 Thumper will be subsonic?

Got any ballistic info?

Will the bullets expand on impact?

How's accuracy?

If I send you my upper can/will you do the necessary mods to make it a 338 Thumper? Cost?

Can you also build suppressors? I would like a partial integral suppressor so I only have to buy 1 stamp and keep the OAL as short as possible without a SBR stamp.

thanks,
swampf0x

[LouBoyd]

Swampfox,

Let me make your decision a little harder. We are just getting ready to release our 338 THUMPER. It uses 223 cases and mags. I hope to get some pictures up on our website in the next couple of days.

Just curious how that cartridge headspaces. On the mouth of the case like a 30 Carbine? What will you be selling? Complete rifles? Uppers? Barrels?

I'd be very interested in a finished 16" light barrel with headspaced extension and dies if it will handle 300 grain SMK/Lapua/Berger though a standard magazine. Could you tell us the case length and case capacity? What's required to prep 223 brass?

Prices? Delivery? I'd be happy to play guinea pig.

[TCCrewchief76]

I'd be happy to play guinea pig.

:grin: Me too...

Details my good man, we need details!

[SwampF0X]

Me as well :D

swampf0x

[BWE Firearms]

We at BWE Firearms have been in development on a line of sub-sonic rifles and ammunition based on the KISS principle. The high cost and minimal supplies of ammo and reloading components have prompted us to look toward simplicity. Our cases are based on readily available WSM and 223 brass which we cut and stuff a bullet into. Costs using new brass and bullets is running close to 1 dollar a round for both the 50 and 338 THUMPER™. Reloading dies and info is available from us. Our 50 caliber was officially unveiled at the SAR show just past. As for the 338 we are planning to do this in both a custom bolt rifle and uppers for ARs. We are using match grade fast twist barrels and using our propriety selective gas system we are looking to go both sub and super-sonic. We have fired the 338 and the accuracy is sub-MOA. 200 yards 1.5" group. At the private 500 yard range where we were testing the 50 and 338 a representative of SOCOM observed the testing and was very impressed, asked us when we would have the package complete, ready for a full demonstration. At this time we are only selling the 338 in the bolt gun, but in the near future we will have the details on sales of the 338 uppers. Keep an eye on our website for photos and videos of our full line of rifles.

[SwampF0X]

The reason I was asking about the Model 1 upper is basically because they are only $365.

I have a Olympic Arms K-16. It shouldn't cost so much to swap barrels and gas systems..................should it? What should it cost?

How much for an integral suppressor?

I'm afraid the 338 THUMPER will be out of my range.

swampf0x