The official RENT QB's AK-47 Flat bending jig thread (Tapco Flats to Receiver)

[Quarterbore]

I AM CLOSING THIS RENTAL AFTER THE PEOPLE ON THE LIST ARE DONE!
TOO MANY PEOPLE ARE NOT COMMUNICATING AND OTHERS ARE JUST LYING...


IF YOU ARE ON THIS LIST, PLEASE SUBSCRIBE TO THE THREAD!

I CAN NOT SEARCH FOR EACH PERSON SO IF YOU DON'T ALLOW E-MAIL
VIA THE BOARD YOU HAD BETTER CHECK THIS THREAD AND YOUR PMs!

I have seen others express interest in renting an AK flat bending jig. I have one of the 555th jigs and we have used it to bend several flats but I will be honest that I have not had the time to finish any of them yet

I have uploaded pics and directions to this other thread on the forums here:
http://www.quarterbore.net/forums/showthread.php?t=164

To bend a flat literally takes about 10-minutes with most of the time being spent getting the flat centered in the jig. I am confident that this could be done with a much smaller press (6-ton perhaps?).

NOTE THIS IS UPDATED!!!

I will rent this for $20 and the renter will agree to ship the jig when finished to the next renter. Please note that this means you may be lucky and have a next person that is local or on the other side of the country! This will still be cheaper then people paying shipping both ways from and back to me and it will decrease the time the jig is on the brown truck by a factor of two allowing more people to use the jig...

ANOTHER BIG UPDATE!!!

I have just purchased a second used 555th jig. I did this so that I can a jig to people faster by having two jigs on rotation at the same time. I hope to have the new jig by next weekend (Apr 2nd) and I will test the new jig out here before I put it into the rotation as well... As far as I can tell this new jig is identical to the one that is in circulation. I assume that it is obvious that this should increase the rate that the list moves!


TERMS UPDATE!!!

As on page two of this thread, it is starting to look like the jig will not last forever so I need to amend my "Unlimited Flats" term. For anybody that signs up to use the jig effective now (4-4-2005 9:30AM EST) the terms are as follows:

Your Rent of $20 includes The use of the Jig and my grease to do upto five flats. Each extra flat after five I would like to request that an extra $0.50 be paid to help cover the additional wear on the jig. You will also be expected to then ship the jig to the next person as described before.

Examples:

You Bend 1 to 5 flats - $20 + shipping to next person
You Bend 6 flats - $20 + shipping to next person + $0.50 in the box)
You Bend 20 flats - $20 + shipping to next person + $7.50 in the box (15 extra at $0.50)
You host a build party and you all do 40 flats = $20 + shipping to next person + $17.50 in the box (5 included + 35 extra at $0.50/each)

Updata again...

We now have two Jigs that will be circulating:

Jig #1:

This is the original jig. This jig only requires 7/16 wrenches to assemble or disassemble. Enclosed with the jig is a 7/16 wrench, 7/16 socket and 1/4 ratchet, and a steel bar that MUST BE USED BETWEEN YOUR PRESS AND JIG to bend your flats. There are also a pair of extra bolts in case the original bolt threads get buggered up plus a new can of grease. There will also be a zip-lock bag for any extra money (more below)

Jig #2.

This is my new jig. This jig requires 7/16 tools for the bolts of the ends but the flat is held in place with larger bolts requiring 1/2 tools. With this jig you will find a 7/16 and 1/2 wrench, 7/16 and 1/2 socket and ratchet, small piece of steel THAT MUST BE USED BETWEEN PRESS AN JIG. There is also an extra set of bolts and new can of grease as well as a ziplock for any extra money.

Regarding the extra money... if there gets to be a sizable amount of money in the box, please contact me and I wil have you send the money to me instead of having it ship around with the tools. With the understanding that the two sets of tools are worth at least $150 I am not woried about amounts upto $40 and I don't expect that there will get to be that much money anytime soon.

Now, because the old box got really trashed in the last round I made a pair of new boxes. You may laugh at my insanity but the new boxes would be tough for any but the most destructive UPS or Fed Ex driver to dammage and I did the work using expanding foam so the boxes gained considerable strength without additional weight. Shipping for me when I sent the two jigs out last time was under $20 with an extra $150 insurance on them.

My only two requests are that the jig be shipped with some method of tracking and that everybody pays the cost of delivery confirmation (it only cost me $1 for delivery confirmation last time).

Lastly, I do not want ANY MONEY until I get word that the jig is ready to ship to the next person. I will then ask for payment via PAYPAL. You can see the payment page here: http://quarterbore-inc.com/555thjig.html BUT PLEASE DON'T PAY UNTIL I SAY TO! If you hate PAYPAL and refuse to pay via PAYPAL then please mail me your payment in ADVANCE with clear info on who you are! PM ME FOR MY ADDRESS!

Following is a list of people and the order for people to get the use of the jig:

People on the List:
1. Cumberland (http://ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=7&f=123&t=253469)
- Jig Shipped 16-Feb UPS Ground (should be delivered 21-Feb-2005
- Jig arived 21-Feb-2005
- Note: Cumberland is holding jig while I send a steel bar for top of press
- Steel sent 22-Feb-2005 USPS Priority Mail
- Cumberland indicated he will be done and press will be shipped Monday
- Jig shipped 1-Mar-2005 (Tracking #1Z AT9 096 03 2786 870 2)

2. Zaplatus (Posted in thread)
- PAID Rent 26-Feb-2005
- address provided to Cumberland (expect jig to be shipped Monday 28-Feb-2005)
- Jig delivered - Mar 3, 2005 4:36 P.M. EST
- Indicated will be done with jig on or before 12-Mar-2005
- Indicated jig shipped 11-Mar-2005

3. shop_rat45 (Posted in thread)
- E-mailed request to pay rent 6-Mar-2005
- paid 6 Mar-2005
- Received the jig 15-Mar-2005
- E-mail from shop-rat45 saying jig will be ready to send in the next day or two 20-Mar-2005
- Jig shipped Fed Ex 21-Mar-2005 to Mouseomatic

5. Mouseomatic (ARFCOM - E-mail - Please post in thread!)
- E-mailed sent requesting rent 20-Mar-2005
- Rent paid 20-Mar-2005 & address given to shop_rat45
- Received jig 23-Mar-2005
- Indicated on 23-Mar will be done by 26-Mar-2005
- Indicated 24-Mar-2005 he was done

6. Motormitch (posted in thread)
- E-mailed sent requesting rent 24-Mar-2005
- Check your PM here I am Not sure why you are not getting my e-mail?
- Rent Received & Address provided to Mouseomatic 25-Mar-2005
- Received jig 29-Mar-2005

7. mgnew (posted in thread)
- E-mailed sent requesting rent 25-Mar-2005
- Note the jig will go to Motormitch before you
- Payment and Address received
- E-mail sent asking to verify if I should ship Jig #2 4-May-2005
- Jig #2 Shipped 5-5-2005
- Provided address for 1rosta 5-18-2005
- Jig Shipped 1-June-2005 UPS Track (1ZRF58750348955090) to 1rosta

10. KillJoy (posted in thread)
- E-mailed sent requesting rent 8-May-2005 Jig #1
- PAID 8-May-2005 (BEFORE PEOPLE BEFORE YOU ON LIST
- Jig will ship to you 9-May-2005 UPS Ground
- Jig Received 12-May-2005
- Done with jig 14-May-2005
- Jig Shipped 17-May-2005 (UPS 1Z28266W0355314513) to danc46

14. danc46 and his team in OK
- ASKED TO PAY YOUR RENT (16-May-2005)
- PAID RENT - 16-May-2005 - Jig #1
- Address provided to KillJoy 16-May-2005!
- Received Jig #1 on 20-May-2005
- Indicated he is ready to ship the jig 31-May-2005
- provided the address for rigore 31-May-2005
- Jig Shipped FED EX on 1-June-2005 to rigore

13. 1rosta
- ASKED TO PAY RENT 16-May-2005
- Rent Paid 18-May-2005
- Received Jig #2 4-June-2005
- Done with jig 7-June-2005
- provided ranger55's address 7-June-2005
- Jig shipped 9-June UPS 1Z610X800341235287

Following are under the new terms ($20 + $0.50 for each flat over five done)

16. rigore
- ASKED TO PAY RENT (23-May-2005)
- Rent Paid 23-May-2005
- Received Jig #1 4-June-2005
- sent address for fourays2 14-June-2005
- shipped to fourays2 (1Z2145030310130182) 16-June


11. ranger55
- Under Original Terms
- ASKED TO PAY YOUR RENT 14-May-2005
- Rent Paid 26-May-2005
- Received jig #2 10-June-2005
- Finished 13-June-2005
- Sent HKJAY223's address 6-13-2005
- Jig shipped 15-June UPS 1Z4085870310048405 to HKJAY223


15. HKJAY223
- ASKED TO PAY RENT 18-May-2005
- PAID 26-May-2005 (Rada)
- Waithing for jig #2 from ranger 55
- Delivery expected 22-June
- received jig 22-June-2005
- Sending jig to Oldtractor (address provided 6-July)
- Jig sent Fri July 8th. FedEx tracking #039886221991547. Due to arrive Fri July 15th


19. fourays2
- Rent Requested 14-June-2005
- Rent Received 14-June-2005
- Waiting for Jig #1 from rigore (address provided 14-June)
- Jig Received 22-June-2005
- Finished with Jig 5-July-2005
- Provided address of Cheapskate 5-july
- Cheapskate is a Lying Cheat
- Provided address of buldozer_rm 19-July


20. Cheapskate >>> LYING SCUMBAG ( See THIS! (http://www.quarterbore.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1509&postcount=99) )
- Rent Requested 16-June-2005
- Rent Received 17-June-2005 (P Smith)
- Will be getting Jig #1 from fourays2

18. oldtractor
- Rent Requested 13-June-2005
- Sending a MO 16-June-2005
- Moneyorder received 24-June
- Waiting on jig#2 from HKJAY223
- Received jig 18-July-2005
- Finished with jig 28-July-2005
- Waiting on payment to provide address of next person
- Sent Address of Snake Bitten 28-July-2005

21. buldozer_rm
- Requested to send payment 22-June-2005
- payment received 24-June (Note Alex in Elverta)
- Will be receiving jig from fourays2 (Address provided 19-July)
- Jig on the way: UPS tracking 1ZA2V1640305591890 (http://wwwapps.ups.com/WebTracking/processInputRequest?HTMLVersion=5.0&loc=en_US&Requester=UPSHome&tracknum=1ZA2V1640305591890&AgreeToTermsAndConditions=yes&track.x=20&track.y=6)
- Finished with Jig #1 28-July-2005
- Returning Jig #1 to Quarterbore
- Update 8-23-2005 Jig has still not been shipped Will ship 8-24-05 :(

24. Snake Bitten
- Rent Requested 28-July-2005
- Paid 28-July-2005
- Waiting for jig #2 from OldTractor
- Received Jig 8-11-05



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- FOLLOWING MEMBERS HAVE BEEN ASKED TO PAY
- IF PAYMENT NOT RECEIVED FOR 2-Weeks You are off the list
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(THIS ROTATION OF THE JIGS IS DONE - NOBODY IS LEFT ON THE LIST!) :nanabang:

----------- Following people have dropped off the list --------------
9. Flyfishing26 - By Request - NO LONGER NEEDS THE JIG
4. TURRICAN - By Request
8. donkee - Because of NON PAYMENT rent requested 5-May-2005 - Deleted 5-23-2005
12. TomsFAL - Because of NON PAYMENT rent requested 14-May-2005 - Deleted 2-June-2005
23. prebancolt - Because he made his on jig
22. GoldenGun - Purchased his own jig
25. fubar107 - No longer needs the jig
17. Anarx
- Rent Requested 13-June-2005
- WAITING ON MORE FLATS
- Rent Requested 28-July-2005
- Removed from list by request 1-August-2005

If you want on the list, please reply below... If you want off the list, please reply below and PM me...


IF YOU ARE ON THIS LIST, PLEASE SUBSCRIBE TO THE THREAD!

I CAN NOT SEARCH FOR EACH PERSON SO IF YOU DON'T ALLOW E-MAIL
VIA THE BOARD YOU HAD BETTER CHECK THIS THREAD AND YOUR PMs!

[Quarterbore]

I thought this over and I have a suggestion... I am going to increase the rent price to $20 and I will cover shipping to every fifth buyer. The way this will work is as follows...

I ship the jig at my cost to the first renter.
1st Person uses the jig, when done I collect rent from 2nd person.
1st Person pays shipping to 2nd person.
2nd person uses jig, when done I collect rent from 3rd person.
2nd Person pays shipping to 3rd person
... and so on and so forth ...
5th person uses the jig and returns jig to me so that I can look it over (or to another person at my choice)

If there are less then four people on the wait list then I will need to evaluate how this can work...

I am suggesting this method as it seems stupid for people to pay me to ship the jig to them and then they pay to ship the jig back to me... can we all agree to accept the risks that the next person on the list could be some distance from you and you would simply ship the jig to the next person? This way everybody would only need to pay one shipping and the UPS truck isn't delivering and sending out this jig from my house every coupe days...

Please advise of oppinions.... the problem is that the first shipment was done tonight and shipping was paid by the first renter... we just need a way to do this that is fair... I can refund the first shipping cost and we will all work with the $20 + shipping to next person for now on and that is the way it is going to work for anybody new joining the list unless someone has a good reason to to it another way......


UPDATES AS THE JIG IS USED BY YOU GUYS!

I got an e-mail from Cumberland and he managed to bend one of his flats but he pointed out that I forgot to get the steel bar that is used on the top of the jig to press the flats. I have sent the steel bar out this morning via USPS Priority mail and Cumberland is going to do the rest of his flats this week while I get the steel to him...

Note: It is important to use this bar to prevent damage to the jig. It is the piece shown in the pics that sits between the press bar and the top of the jig. The top of the jig is the parts that forms the uper rails on the receiver so it is important that this does not get bent by the press...

Thanks to Cumberland for letting me know I forgot to add the bar to the box!

[Zaplatus]

I like the idea man. All i need is the email address of the #1 renter and i'll forward my shipping address to him. Once he, or you tell me it is ready to be shipped i will complete the Rent transaction ($20 fee) with you. I guess once funds are recieved from Me to you, you can tell him to ship to me. Looks complex on paper with the "him,Me,You's" but i like the it. Let me know when to make payment. :D

[Quarterbore]

After I get word that a person is done I will e-mail the next person in line requesting their address and give them a link to pay their rent via PAYPAL or Credit Card (Master Card Visa). I will allow people three days to reply and pay before I move to the next person in line. If they pay after the three days and I have offered the jig rental to someone else, the next person WILL GET THE JIG FIRST and I will hold the rent of the late payer and the late payer will get the jig after the person after them on the list is done.

If a person does not have their flats or a press yet or if the timing is not good, please just let me know when I sent the e-mail and I will go to the next person in line... You will slide down one place in line and I will give you another shot when the jig becomes available. After three "I am not ready's, I am going to drop such a person to the end of the list to save me and everybody else the hastle.

Also, if I check feedback on anybody or I hear from others that someone on the list is not trust worthy you may get deleted from the list without notice at any time.

[Motormitch]

Sounds good put me down for renting also how long to keep it for Thanks Motormitch

[mgnew]

Sign me up. I like this idea, I've been wanting to bend some flats but couldn't see buying a jig to bend a couple.

[donkee]

Please add me to the list......

[KillJoy149]

Put me on the list!!!!!

KillJoy

[ranger55]

Just what I have been waiting for, put me on the list please.
Ranger55

[TomsFAL]

Please add me to the list......
Thanks Tom :D

[shop_rat45]

Ok, I'm posting here and checking in.

Kris

[Zaplatus]

Hey Guys,
Checking in. Got the jig in the mail today. Will get started using it this weekend. Will keep you all informed of my progress and when im ready to ship it out to the next person. QB, I'll get some pictures out to you, as soon as i unbox it and inventory. Thanks again. - Zap

[1rosta]

Thanks for adding me to the list.
:lol:

[danc46]

There are several of us in Oklahoma working on getting a build party up.
http://www.ak47.net/forums/topic.html?b=8&f=25&t=193488
We would like to rent your bending jig if at all possible. Could we be put on the list?
Thanks for your kindness and the efforts you are making to help other shooters! 8)

[KillJoy149]

What is the current status of the Jig????

KillJoy

[Quarterbore]

What is the current status of the Jig????

KillJoy

Zaplatus has indicated that he has sent the jig to shop_rat45 last Friday.

I am still waiting to get tracking information from Zaplatus or confiration from shop_rat45 that he has received the jig yet...

I will send new e-mails again...

For this to work... we really need to have people e-mail or post their status!!!!

ORIGINAL POST IS UPDATED!

[Zaplatus]

Great transaction and product. Great guy to deal with. Would definatly purchase/rent from him again. Look forward to doing business with you again Ken - Zap

[Motormitch]

Tapco Rusty flats for 12.99 the ones I got in one week and no rust they are sending clean flats and rails at rusty prices .. Will look for jig soon and will have it off by April 7 and then off to Knob Creek for the weekend Thank Motormitch :D

[HKJAY223]

Sounds like just what I need. Please put me on the list and I will order my flats tomorrow.

[Quarterbore]

updated again...

I am having problems getting in touch with people... I am going to start collecting the payment earlier as you guys all want the jig ASAP and there is no sence in having it sit when I can't get ahold of people to get their payment and address...

I will now start collecting payment when the person before you confirms that they have received the jig!

PLEASE... When you pay and e-mail me your contact info ... ALSO POST HERE letting me know that you paid and how you paid. I ask this as that way I will know to look for your e-mail and/or we can find other ways to get in touch if I don't get your e-mail!

I am always updating the first post so use it to make sure you didn't get skipped because your SPAM box doesn't like me! Then you might consider posting here and we can make alternate arrangements.

[mgnew]

YEEE HAAAW :!: I just heard from Ken and sent my payment. I'm feeling like a kid on Christmas eve :D

[Motormitch]

Just pick it up today Should be done by April 5 or 6 Motormitch :)

[Quarterbore]

Updated in original post... seems my jig has been bent :?

[Rev Jim Jones]

Seems as if someone was bending flats without using the top plate .Maybe you could clamp and heat it till straight ?

[Motormitch]

Will I finish with Jig and will send it back to Ken to look over . What I found was two thing first the center bar was bent by over thigh ting the four screws that clamp the flat to the side plates when I got the Jig it had a 3/8 bow in the bar which was flatting my dip at the bottom by the mag well. I don’t how many flats were done you can over thigh need just enough to keep the flat from moving . Even so this bar needs to be check every five or six uses it still may move a little and need to be straighten. Also both side rails were bent at it weakest spot . I think this was from to much pressure going down possibly from a electric or air operated press I have a 12 ton press and I think it could bend it if I wasn’t careful it only needs to go down to the bottom till the bolts tough the bottom of the Jig no real pressure in needed to be seated. I have straighten all the bars and bent 15 flats seems to be working good.
:D

[Quarterbore]

Thanks Motormitch!

I think that with the volume of flats that are being pressed by the jig that the jig is bending just from use and I need to work on a list of things to check on the jig before using. Certianly an automatic press or someone that isn't careful could bend things like you describe so I will have to update the directions a little as well.

I also need to evaluate my "unlimited flats" offer as this jig isn't quite paid for yet and we are seeing signs that the jig may not be as rugged as I thought... For all future people that will get added to the list I am going to ask for an additional $0.50 for each flats you bend after the first five.

This is really for bigger build parties where the jig may be used to press a dozen to many dozens of flats by many users. This will be updated to the terms above and I am making this optional for the people on the list already as the original agreement was as many flats as you want.

Thanks Again to all!
QB

This is also on the honor system and

[Motormitch]

Ken the jig is up and on it way sent USPS two or three days check e mail Motormitch

[mgnew]

There is a great sample video on bending flats at http://www.homegunsmith.com/cgi-bin/ib3/ikonboard.cgi?s=f1cee6df1b34560a9ff73eb140894912;a ct=SF;f=24;st=0
I know the address looks long :shock: just go there. When you get there look for the Ultimate AK Builder Video by Pvt Ryan. It takes a while to download but it is well worth while. If the rest of the tape is as good as the six minute clip it will worth the price, and might save a lot of wear and tear on Ken's bending jigs.

[Quarterbore]

Thanks for that link! That looks like a good DVD to get my hands on! I have to be honest though I see no reason to take as little of steps as he did... Yes, It isn't a good idea to press the entire flat in a single operation but those first few bends didn't do a whole lot of anything...

I have the sample video downloaded and I will send the sample video with the jig when it goes back out.

Also, I got the second 555th jig I bought. What a major disapointment! The fit and worksmanship on this second jig is just aughful and the holes for the bolts don't seem to be straight through the jig. I am going to need to ream out the holes and do a little fitting on this new jig before I send it out. Definately not as nice as the jig that we have been using so I am hoping that Motormitch's fix is on the money and I will get that jig back out.

[KillJoy149]

What is the current status of the Jig(s)?

KillJoy

[Quarterbore]

Sorry... I got the jig back late last week and I had to travel last weekend and I have been swamped at work... I want to bend a flat this comming weekend and compare it to the flat that I bent before the jig went out originally.

Also, I did get the second 555th jig that I bought but that jig really needs some work. The second jig's holes where the bolts go through to hold the jig together are poorly drilled and the jig is a real PITA to assemble and disassemble as it binds pretty bad. I am going to try to repair or improve the second jig this weekend and I will use that jig to bend a flat as well...

As long as the flats from before, with the original jig, and the new jig all come out well I will have the TWO jigs out as early as Saturday or Sunday (Apr 16 -17th 2005). I just wanted to have both jigs on hand at the same time so that I can compare the flats bent with the two as if one of them isn't working right I don't want to be renting it out...

Sorry for the delay but work is starting to put a pinch on gun time! I think it's time to become a bum --- Gun BUM :D

[KillJoy149]

Okay, not to be a nag :) , but what is the status of the JIGs?

Are they in good shape? Are they functional? Are they accurate?

KillJoy

[Quarterbore]

Sorry... work has been keeping me late and the kids and I all got sick over the past week... I did get to look atthe jig that Motormitch sent back and I am not sure if the marks on the top of the jig are from him straightening the jig or not but if not it is a sure sign that someone didn't use the steel bar and applied WAY TOO MUCH FORCE...

I also got to compare the jig I had out with the new jig and frankly the new jig sucks in comparison. It's nt that it will not work, it's just a little funky in the way it was built! I'll show you all when I get some pics!

I hope to get some time to bend a couple flats tomorrow as I am planning to take the day off work... I will take some pics and post them as well.

[Motormitch]

Jig will work just be careful on the pressure and make sure it is center in the Jig will work fine . Ship It , if some one has a problum E mail Me and I will walk them through it

[KillJoy149]

So, how did the jigs do????

KillJoy

[Motormitch]

The jig did fine takes little getting use to my concern was the front bend was not a good square and was little rounded but should work out OK . Most of my bends started with bending the back first and work it forward . Centering the flat took little time. Over all went good . motormitch

[KillJoy149]

Sorry. I meant from QB's testing this last weekend.

I am hoping the Jigs will stay in rotation long enough that I get a chance to try one out.

KillJoy

[Quarterbore]

Sorry again for the delays... I managed to get the new jig fixed up and I had to redrill all the holes as it was a real PITA to get the bolts in and out... burs, undersized holes, and just sloppy. I used the new jig to bend a flat and it came out great and I took a ton of photos that I want to get uploaded into an album so people can see how to bend in a way that will not dammage the jig.

The original jig is still waiting on me to get a free evening to bend a flat with it too... the jig looks like it will work fine but it is obvious that somebody really pressed the living piss out of it without the steel bar between the top of the jig and the press ram... This is the reason I am taking some time to get tons of photos so I can put instructions in with the jigs to try to save these jigs...

I am swamped at work and I am actually still working on work stuff now (yea it's 11:34 PM here) but the project is out of my hands by Friday so there is hope that I get a break before my next buisy spell...

[Quarterbore]

btt with updates

[Quarterbore]

OK, I have asked three people for money and nobody is replying that they are not interested anymore or submitting payment, or ??? I will give 24-hrs and then move to the next person until I have someone to send the jig to. I have been hoping to send out a jig for three days now with no luck...

If someone after you get's their payment in before you they will get the jig first and you will get the first jig that becomes available. I am going to try to have one person pre-paid so I have an address ready for the person holding the jig for now on...

[KillJoy149]

Paypal Sent.

KillJoy

[rigore]

What is the approximate wait time on the bending jig?

[Quarterbore]

Well, there are about 7 people on the list before you BUT I now have two jigs circulating... most people were able to use the jig and turn it around in about a week but we have been allowing people to keep the jig for upto 3-weeks...

I would guess that you would be looking at about 2-months but it could be much less especially if people drop off the list because they find other ways?

You are welcome to get added to the list and if you later decide you don't need or want the jig just e-mail me and I will remove your name... Also, two of the people on the list never did reply when I asked for payment so they may not be interested anymore so the list may be even shorter then it looks?

[rigore]

Thanks. I will add my name to the list.

Actually I need to add you... you are on the list... QB

[Anarx]

i would like to be added to the list.

i might make a jig and if i do i'll let ya know

[KillJoy149]

Well, I received Jig #1 about an hour or so ago.

Definately nice box for it. Unless UPS / Fed EX really kicks it around, it should last AT LEAST 5 people, if not more.

It certainly looks like someone (or more) treated this thing like it was a rental. Knicks and dings. Come on folks, QB is letting us use HIS tools! Lets show a little care!

Now it has all of the required tools, and even some grease.

The only additional thing it could use, is instructions. Like on cd or something. I may just add that touch myself :)

I SHOULD be done by the end of this weekend (5/15).

KillJoy

[KillJoy149]

Okey Dokey. All done w/ the Jig. Worked like a charm.

Unfortunately, my CD Burner is on the fritz, and I won't be able to include any instructions. Oh well. It isn't too diffacult to figure out.

So...who's next?

KillJoy

[Quarterbore]

I never got the payment from the people before you... I will ask more people to send payment...

OH YEA... people are setting their accounts so I can't e-mail you... You had better subscribe to this thread or check your PMs as I do not have time to continue to hunt people down...

If you don't pay your rent within TWO DAYS after I PM asking for your rent I am offering the jig to the next person and you will get the jig based on when your payment is received...

If you don't reply and send your rent for 3-weeks (21-days) you are off the list and you can add your name to the bottom of the list if you think you will be able to pay the rent the next time I ask!

[Quarterbore]

BTT... offered the jig to two more people because of non-payment...

People need to allow e-mail via the board or you had best subscribe to this thread or check in every so oftain... Or you need to post an e-mail in this thread where you want me to contact you!

[danc46]

Payment sent via paypal!
Thanks for notifying me, I had about given up on it!
Dan

[Quarterbore]

danc46 is getting Jig #1 next... Payment received 16-May-2005 - Address provided to KillJoy

[KillJoy149]

I am not going to be able to get this sent out this evening. I SHOULD be able to get it out tomorrow though.

I will keep you all posted.

KillJoy

[mgnew]

I finally got a chance to unpack and use QB's jig tonight. I'll have to say he put everything but the kitchen sink in the box, anyone using it won't need a thing to get started. All the talk about needing a big press is just talk, I'm using a cheap 6 ton press and the two I did tonight came out fine and I didn't have any problem pressing them. I should be able to get time to do the other two this weekend. I'll send extra info that might help someone with it when I ship it.
Ken's a great guy letting us rent his jig so cheap so treat it right and everyone should get a chance to use it.

[Quarterbore]

btt: Another person has been asked to pay and one guy is going to get deleted tomorrow if he doesn't pay... if anybody can contact those that have been asked to pay but have not yet paid please do so...

I hate to remove people from the list but I can't keep searching for each person on the list either...

[1rosta]

Payment has been sent via paypal. My flats will be here next week, coming from have the underfolder rear trunion holes cut in.
Thanks

[Quarterbore]

Payment has been sent via paypal. My flats will be here next week, coming from have the underfolder rear trunion holes cut in.
Thanks

I have your payment and address... it will be provided to mgnew as he had indicated he will be done with the jig this comming weekend. You will be receiving Jig #2.

[oldtractor]

Please put me on your list to rent your flat jig.
rgds.
ot

[KillJoy149]

It looks like danc46 got the Jig I sent him yesterday morning.

KillJoy

[rigore]

Payment has been sent via paypal. My flats will be here next week, coming from have the underfolder rear trunion holes cut in.
Thanks

Where did you find the flat with the reat trunion holes cut in?
Thanks in advance for any information you may provide.

rigore :D

[Quarterbore]

Where did you find the flat with the reat trunion holes cut in?
Thanks in advance for any information you may provide.

rigore :D

I can't answer that but I wanted to let you know you have been asked to pay your rent... check your PM here on the board! :nanabang:

[KillJoy149]

My Tapco Rusty flats had both the front and rear Trunnion Holes Drilled.

KillJoy

[danc46]

I got the jig over the weekend! Thanks, Quarterbore!
I am still trying to arrange the build party, waiting for a welding electrode. I will put it in the mail no later than Monday, June 6th. I'll be in touch soon to find out who to mail it too.
Dan

[Quarterbore]

My Tapco Rusty flats had both the front and rear Trunnion Holes Drilled.

KillJoy

I am pretty sure he was refering to the underfolder...

I got the jig over the weekend! Thanks, Quarterbore!
I am still trying to arrange the build party, waiting for a welding electrode. I will put it in the mail no later than Monday, June 6th. I'll be in touch soon to find out who to mail it too.
Dan

If you get tight on time and you need the jig a little longer I can work with you and your team... Just please keep me upto date so I can let everybody else on the list know when you will be done... As far as who you will send it to, I will send you an address when we get closer so that if the other jig can be used by 2-3 people before you have your build party that the other jig will get more use and someone isn't waiting.

Thanks for posting the update...!

[rigore]

I was asking about the underfolder stock holes. :nanabang:

[danc46]

Quarterbore, I tried contacting you but your message box is full.
Please contact me at your earliest opportunity.
Thanks,
Dan

[Quarterbore]

Sorry... had a few PM me and I didn't clear it out...

You can PM me, e-mail me at Quarterbore@yahoo.com or call me...

My phone number is in the box with the jig and i should be home after 5PM EST.

QB

[Quarterbore]

Quick update...

We had a couple people pay so we are ahead in people that are paid. The people that have paid are being added to the paid list in the order you pay.

mgnew indicated that he had a family emergency that kept him from getting to use the jig but that the jig will be shipping on Tuesday May 31st.

danc46 is hosting a build party on on the weekend of June 4th - 5th so he will be shipping that jig on June 6th.

[fourays2]

Please put me on your list to rent your flat jig.

regards, Alex :ak47:

[Quarterbore]

Couple updates in the first post... Jig #1 is getting shipped to next guy!

[danc46]

Shipped the jig to Rigore this morning via FedEx.
Thanks from the OKie Build Team! We very much appreciate it!
Dan

[mgnew]

1rosta, the jig is on the way. I'm sorry I kept it so long. I included some extra instructions and nuts and bolts that you might need.
It works very well and is easy to use.
Good Luck.
Keith

[Cheapskate]

Please put me on the next available slot for the jig.

email; way2cheap@cox.net

Thanks

[1rosta]

Thanks! I just finished looking at everything. Hope to bend a flat tomorrow.

[rigore]

I have received the jig 6-5-05. Thanks danc46.
:D

[danc46]

Rigore, good luck! And thanks, Quarterbore!

[rigore]

I noticed that I have been put down as being finished with the jig but have not had an oppurtunity to use it. I am a little confused. Can anyone fill me in. :confused: I am hoping to have the jig ready to ship next Tuesday. Thanks.

rigore

[Quarterbore]

You are confused... :bangin:

OK, I was confused.... I fixed the first thread... It's tough for me to keep the screen names and real names all in order...

1rosta - Did you get the address I sent out and I assume you are the one that was done... this is a good example why i would prefer that people post when they are done as well as sending me an e-mail or IM...

I checked an 1rosta was the one that was done and he was the one that the next address was sent to...

[buldozer_rm]

Please include me in the list. Thanks
email: buldozer_rm@yahoo.com

[ranger55]

The package arrived while I was gone Friday.
Thanks:
Ranger55

[GoldenGun]

Hey thanks for renting out your jigs!!!!


PLEASE PUT ME ON THE LIST, THANK YOU!

[Quarterbore]

First Post updated... Anarx has been asked to pay...

[rigore]

Quarterbore,

I need the address for the next person in line I will be shipping th jig Thursday. Thanks.

[rigore]

Jig #1 has been shipped to Alex via UPS Ground June 16th 2005.
Tracking number# 1Z2145030310130182

rigore

[Quarterbore]

lots of updates in first post... both jigs with UPS and another person requested to pay...

[Cheapskate]

Rent Paid via Paypal. :cool:

[fourays2]

Jig #1 has been shipped to Alex via UPS Ground June 16th 2005.
Tracking number# 1Z2145030310130182

rigore

Rigore,

that's not the right tracking #, that is a tracking # for a package that was delivered to Ohio, I'm in AZ. can you check the tracking # again please?

Alex

[Quarterbore]

Rigore,

that's not the right tracking #, that is a tracking # for a package that was delivered to Ohio, I'm in AZ. can you check the tracking # again please?

Alex

I agree... did you ship two packages? I still have a copy of the PM I sent with the address and you should have shipped the jig to Alex in Glendale, AZ 85308...

Please confirm :confused:

[prebancolt]

QB

This is awesome!!! Can you add me to the list? Got two flats just waiting!!!

J

[Quarterbore]

??????????????

[fourays2]

I am getting no replies to e-mail or PMs... I will be posting contact info soon...


it hasn't shown up on my doorstep yet, I'll let you know as soon as it does.

[fourays2]

OK I've got it. don't have time to check it out tonight. thanks Rigore.

[Quarterbore]

Please include me in the list. Thanks
email: buldozer_rm@yahoo.com

You have been asked to pay... both jigs are accounted for and with new people!

[Quarterbore]

Payment for jig rental from A Demchuk Received ... 23-June-2005 ... What is your MEMBER NAME HERE?

[Snake Bitten]

Yes, please put me on the list! Thanks! SB :D

[Quarterbore]

First post updated again...

[fubar107]

can I get in on this? :)

[prebancolt]

QB

Please remove me from the list of potential renters. I have my jig operational now......wooohoooo!!!!.......so I won't need to rent yours.

J

[Quarterbore]

QB

Please remove me from the list of potential renters. I have my jig operational now......wooohoooo!!!!.......so I won't need to rent yours.

J

Done... good Luck with your jig!

[Cheapskate]

Please remove me from the list and refund Paypal of $20.00.

Thanks

[Quarterbore]

Please remove me from the list and refund Paypal of $20.00.

Thanks

Huh, you should have the jig as fourays2 was provided with your address on July 5th... Where is the jig? Do you have the jig?


fourays2, did you send the jig?

I sent both of you an e-mail... I need to know where the jig is at along with any tracking information... Remember guys, you are responsible for the cost of my tools if you lose or dammage them ($150).

[fourays2]

Huh, you should have the jig as fourays2 was provided with your address on July 5th... Where is the jig? Do you have the jig?


fourays2, did you send the jig?

I sent both of you an e-mail... I need to know where the jig is at along with any tracking information... Remember guys, you are responsible for the cost of my tools if you lose or dammage them ($150).

Since we live so close and he has no press he came over to my place and used the jig on Saturday. I had to leave so he stayed on at my place and bent flats. He was supposed to take the jig with him and send it on to the next guy in line, but he left the jig at my place. So I still have the jig and it's boxed up ready to go.
Quartbore, sorry I did not get your e-mail.

[Quarterbore]

Regarding Cheapskate...

OK, so I supplied his name and address to the person before him that had the jig... They talk and decide to get together... you use MY JIG and TOOLS and then you have the guts to e-mail me demanding a refund....

I e-mailed you asking what gives as I thought you should have the jig and you indicated that you don't have my tools... refund your payment NOW...

Now, I hear you had used my tools to bend your flats... You did multiple flats and you are still demanding a refund for the use of MY TOOLS?

Here is the contact info of this assclown:

AKA Cheapskate
Patrick Smith
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Litchfield Park, AZ 85340
United States

Following are the e-mails:

From: "Patrick Smith" <way2cheap@XXXX.net> Add to Address Book
To: "'Kenneth Westervelt'" <quarterbore@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: Just a note to let you know you will be receiving my 555th jig soon!
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 12:27:58 -0700


Ken,

Thanks for the heads-up.

Patrick


-----Original Message-----
From: Kenneth Westervelt [mailto:quarterbore@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 6:15 AM
To: way2cheap@XXXX.net
Cc: quarterbore@yahoo.com
Subject: Just a note to let you know you will be receiving my 555th jig soon!


There is a PM on the forums at Quarterbore.net for you... The person before you is gone with the jig and it is being sent to you... Please let me know when you get it!

Ken

Then...

I got a Instant message Here on the forums on Mondy July 18th... I didn't save the PM and it seems to be lost but it said essentially I want a REFUND OF MY PAYPAL PAYMENT... So, I sent an E-mail as below... not the reply above my original e-mail...



-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Westervelt [mailto:sales@quarterbore-inc.com]
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 6:14 AM
To: fourays@xxxxxxx.xxx; way2cheap@XXXX.net; sales@quarterbore-inc.com
Subject: Who has my 555th jig and what is the status?


Please excuse me as I use your forum handles as while I have your names at home I don't have them with me here at work...

Fourays,

You had requested the name and address of the next person to use the jig on Juy 5th and I had provided you with the name and address of Cheapskate on that same data... Did you send the jig? I need that tracking number! If you did not ship the jig, please DO NOT SHIP it until we can figure this out...

Cheapskate,

You just posted in the forums that you want a refund of your payment and off the list. As long as Fourays has not shipped the jig yet I can do that but I need to know where the jig is as if you have received the jig then obviously you spoke up too late... Do you have the jig?

I need to have an update from both of you as one of the two of you should have the jig or the jig was lost between the two of you. Foruays, as per the terms you were supposed to shp with a method that provided tracking and insurance, if the jig is lost you are responsible for the replacement costs of my tools ($150).

Ken


then...


From: "Patrick Smith" <way2cheap@XXXX.net> Add to Address Book
To: sales@quarterbore-inc.com
Subject: RE: Who has my 555th jig and what is the status?
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 11:50:50 -0700


Ken,

I do not have the jig. Please refund my $20.00.

Thanks,

Patrick


From: Ken Westervelt [mailto:sales@quarterbore-inc.com]
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 1:29 PM
To: Patrick Smith; sales@quarterbore-inc.com
Subject: RE: Who has my 555th jig and what is the status?


As soon as I know where my tools are... I need to verify that they were not shipped to you and that you did not receive them... As soon as I know that I will refund your money and have the send the jig sent to someone else... If the jig is already on it's way to you, you have decided too late that you don't want to use it...

Ken


From: "Patrick Smith" <way2cheap@cox.net> Add to Address Book
To: sales@quarterbore-inc.com
Subject: RE: Who has my 555th jig and what is the status?
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 16:20:06 -0700


Ken,

I do not have your jig. I understand you may be concerned about where your property is, but lets not be mistaken that I am directly informing you that I DO NOT have, nor do I wish to recieve possession of it at this time.

It's been two weeks since I was told the jig was going to be shipped and going on 72 hours since I requested to be taken off the list. I'm willing to be reasonable, but it's pretty clear to me that I should be expecting my money or the jig shortly...either way is fine by me.

If I receive the jig postmarked as shipped on or before today, 07/19/2005 I will accept it and proceed with my end of the agreement and ship to the next user as a matter of honoring my committment to you and the fellow users down the line on the rental list.

What would you like me to do with the jig if it arrives with a postmark after today?

Let me know.

Thanks,

Patrick

Here was a PM:

19 July 2005, 10:46 AM
fourays2
Junior Member Join Date: May 2005
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Posts: 5


regarding cheapskate

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Since we live so close and he has no press he came over to my place and used the jig on Saturday. I had to leave so he stayed on at my place and bent flats. He was supposed to take the jig with him and send it on to the next guy in line, but he left the jig at my place. So I still have the jig and it's boxed up ready to go.

Quartbore, sorry I did not get your e-mail.


So I sent this...

From: Ken Westervelt
To: Patrick Smith ; sales@quarterbore-inc.com ; fourays@qwest.net ; fourays2@xxxxxxx.xxx
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 5:46 PM
Subject: RE: Who has my 555th jig and what is the status?


I was told that you have already used the jig... I talked with fourays2 and he indicated that you contacted him and went to his house and used the jig there. he also indicated that you were supposed to take the jig and ship it to the next person but you had left the jig there instead.

Are you indicating this is not correct?

Alex, am I saying anything that is not correct?

Is there some type of miscommunication here?

Ken


Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 18:09:04 -0700
From: "fourays" <fourays@xxxxx.xxx> Add to Address Book
To: sales@quarterbore-inc.com, "Patrick Smith" <way2cheap@XXXX.net>, fourays2@xxxxxx.xxx
Subject: Re: Who has my 555th jig and what is the status?


Patrick,

you were over at my house on saturday july 16th and you used the jig. You were supposed to show up at 8.30-9.00am, but you didn't get to my house until 11.00am. I let you use my press even though I had to leave. my wife tells me you left my house at about 2.00pm.I told you to take the jig with you when you left and send it on to the next person.
just to clarify matters I'll forward on Patricks e-mails to me arranging Saturdays meeting.

Alex


And then the rest of the picture....


From: Patrick Hooper
To: fourays@xxxx.xxx
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 5:28 PM
Subject: QB Jig


Hi,

I just noticed that you are listed as being in Phoenix. I'm in Litchfield Park, just West of Glendale. I'm also next on the list for the flat bending jig.

Is there any chance you and I could meet up and bend our flats? I don't have a press, but had planned on buying one specifically to do my builds...if we could meet up at your place to bend the flats it would save you the hassle of shipping to the next guy (me) and will save me the cash on a press that I'll never use again anyway.

If this sounds like something you'd be interested in doing (really just helping me out), please let me know.

My phone is; 623-XXX-XXXX

Thanks,

Patrick

and


From: Patrick Hooper
To: 'fourays'
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 5:37 PM
Subject: RE: Jig


HI Alex,

Early Saturday morning is perfect. My wife is having a 'stamping party' at her friends house just North of the 101 at 8:15, so I'll be in the area around 8:30...something like between 8:30 and 9:00 sound good?

I remember you're off the 101 and near Bell Rd up by Harbor Freight, but I'll need your actual address again. Just email the address and I'll get a map through Yahoo.

Hope the mouth isn't giving you too much trouble. See you in the AM.

Thanks,

Patrick
-----Original Message-----
From: fourays [mailto:fourays@xxxx.xxx]
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 6:57 PM
To: Patrick Hooper
Subject: Re: Jig


Hi Patrick,

how about early saturday morning or late saturday afternoon? I have an apointment downtown at noon on saturday. I would call you but I've just had some dental work done and my mouth is numb and I can't talk.

regards, Alex
----- Original Message -----
From: Patrick Hooper
To: fourays@xxxx.xxx
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 2:24 PM
Subject: Jig


Alex,

Sorry I missed you last weekend. My son deleted the file with your address info and I didn't have a number for you.

Anyway, if we can get together during the week, maybe after work or early this weekend...it would be great.

Let me know.

Thanks,

Patrick
623-XXX-XXXX

[Quarterbore]

Cheapskate is no longer welcomed here... He is now Banned

I will finish the people on the list but I have had enough of the hastle of trying to figure out who has my tools and then have idiots lie to me... I did this to be nice and I have had enough...

To add insult to injury I have a problem that the DOD wants my laptop...

http://ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=371206&page=1

This just has not been a good couple days...

Time to simplify my life some....

[Quarterbore]

The Jigs Are No Longer Available For Rent After Those That Signed Up Are Done....

[The_Whole_Truth]

$20 rental fee paid on 06/17/2005 via Paypal.

On 07/05 I was informed that the rental item (the jig) would be shipped.

After two weeks and no jig, I contacted the person who had it and worked out a separate arrangement where I would come to his house and use the jig, and then we would simply ship it on to the next person on the rental list. I went to fourays house and bent up three flats. I had agreed to his proposal of $6.66 in a simple three way split of his rental expenses, since he and another friend had used the jig to press up several flats too. I also agreed to ship the jig to the next guy on the list.

I had put a $20 bill on Alex’s workbench to kick in for what I figured to be WELL MORE THAN MY SHARE and was wiping down the jig to pack it up when fourays wife came out into the garage to offer some water (it was a very hot Phoenix afternoon). When she saw the money she immediately said I did not need to pay. She further told me that fourays had planned on purchasing the jig. At that point, I offered the $20 to her to give to Alex for letting me use his press and being so accommodating. She declined that offer too, and said to consider it a favor, that one day he might need one from me. I thought that was really cool and stopped trying to give her the money. I did not take possession of the jig as planned, not because I just left it to stiff Alex for the shipping, but because I was under the direct impression that the jig was spoken for as a direct result of our conversation.

Considering my deal was with fourays and that I thought he was buying the jig outright, I posted that I wanted off the list and a refund. My thought was that this would free the second jig up for the next guy in line while Quarterbore had another jig made up to replace the one I THOUGHT WAS SOLD. Why in the hell would I want to rent the replacement jig when I’d already used the one I was supposed to be renting but was now (I thought) SOLD???!!!

The next thing I know is Quarterbore’s insisting that I wait for my refund until he can figure out where his jig is. I would certainly not discuss or commit to the purchase of the jig on Alex’s behalf and had no desire to become involved in whatever was going on between them, so I simply stuck to THE TRUTH. I told Ken that I did not have his jig and that I did not want to rent it anymore. I still do not see how that is in any way inappropriate.

I’ve got nothing to hide and have not lied once to you Ken. Not once.

You’ve now posted my name and address on this website, along with some bullshit comments including "LYING SCUMBAG", "ASSCLOWN" and "IDIOT". I think that you over-reacted and posted this BS before knowing the whole story. Out of respect for you, I sincerely hope that is the case.

If I owe you an apology please consider it rendered. I leave your next comments to your own sense of justice and integrity. It's been true enough in the past, I'll respect your response to do the right thing on that merit alone.

Respectfully,

Cheapskate :bangin:

[Quarterbore]

Either way, you lied to me... You are not welcome here... I will remove your contact info above but beyond that I do not owe you a thing... anybody is welcome to draw their own oppinions based on what I posted above...

Banned Again! Bye Bye! :rolleyes:

[johnnyjt]

Is it too late to sign up to rent flat jig?

JohnnyJT :confused:
South Philly

T.O. where are you?

[Quarterbore]

Is it too late to sign up to rent flat jig?

JohnnyJT :confused:
South Philly

T.O. where are you?

If you are in South Philli I can set you up...
I live in the Valley Forge area...

I will need some time to finish out the rotations but after I get my tools back I will be done with the US Tour thing until I have more time and patience...

[johnnyjt]

Ok! Thanks!

I'll pm you.


JohnnyJT ;)
South Philly

T.O. where are you?

[GoldenGun]

Wow, this sounds like a really big miscommunication!!! I thought I read that it was only 50 cents per flat if you rented the jig for a build party? If Cheapskate was never mailed the jig and never took possesion of it, it sounds as if he simply attended a build party. The terms on the rental agreement are quite flimsy, on one hand Cheapskate never possessed the jig, but on the other he did pay to rent it. Quarterbore did say that it would only be 50 cents per flat bent over 5 at a jig party, does this not apply if someone who paid to rent the jig next shows up?

If I paid to rent a car for the weekend but found out my buddy allready rented a car from the same place and lets me use it, I would definately want my money back from the car rental place because I never took possession of the car... there was no rental.

Quarterbore, I believe you are getting confused about the fact that you made a sale, but the customer found out how to accoplish his goals in a different way. I don't see any 'rental' to Cheapskate, I just see him attending a build party. You should give him his cash back, and take down that "Lying Scumbag" note... you might have acted to hastily.

BTW - I don't need to rent your jig anymore, I have purchased one of mine own so I'm good. Still want to say 'Thanks' for offering your tools for everyone to use though, too bad you have to stop.

[Quarterbore]

Wow, this sounds like a really big miscommunication!!! I thought I read that it was only 50 cents per flat if you rented the jig for a build party? If Cheapskate was never mailed the jig and never took possesion of it, it sounds as if he simply attended a build party. The terms on the rental agreement are quite flimsy, on one hand Cheapskate never possessed the jig, but on the other he did pay to rent it. Quarterbore did say that it would only be 50 cents per flat bent over 5 at a jig party, does this not apply if someone who paid to rent the jig next shows up?

If I paid to rent a car for the weekend but found out my buddy allready rented a car from the same place and lets me use it, I would definately want my money back from the car rental place because I never took possession of the car... there was no rental.

Quarterbore, I believe you are getting confused about the fact that you made a sale, but the customer found out how to accoplish his goals in a different way. I don't see any 'rental' to Cheapskate, I just see him attending a build party. You should give him his cash back, and take down that "Lying Scumbag" note... you might have acted to hastily.

BTW - I don't need to rent your jig anymore, I have purchased one of mine own so I'm good. Still want to say 'Thanks' for offering your tools for everyone to use though, too bad you have to stop.

If he had communicated that they were doing a party and let me know what was happening I would have been fine with that... To not say a thing that you were dealing with the person before them and then use the tools and then reply that they want a refund as they don't need my tools and the imply that they have no idea where my tools are...

Well, it's a moot point now but I am a long way from backing down on this one... I removed you from the list and other then the problems with the first rotation where someone pressed the living piss out of my jig (way to much force) and this last idiot most of the transactions went fine... I do wish people were better about letting me know when they got the jig, when they were done, and when they ship with tracking info but that was a challange for a few...

I just don't have the time for this given the trivial amount of money we are talking about and I learned enough to keep me from renting out any of my other tools in the future. It really is that simple...

[fubar107]

please remove me from your list, I bought a 100% receiver. thanks anyway

[Quarterbore]

please remove me from your list, I bought a 100% receiver. thanks anyway

You have been removed... Thanks for the update!

[Quarterbore]

Last two people have been asked to pay...

Thanks to all that had participated!

[Quarterbore]

nightowl night be getting the jig still...

[gcollector2002]

QB

Having a build party Aug 27th in Quakertown, about 20 miles north of you.

My riveting jigs will not make it on time. Also could use extra flat jig and press. I too am concerned people will not treat my pricey tools correctly, but I will be here to supervise. Anyone who does not like it is free to leave.

Please PM or send e-mail to tgeruntho@comcast.net, am willing to pay rent for the tools.

thanks

Thomas

[gcollector2002]

golden gun

I must disagree with you. When a person makes an offer to rent the Jig at $20 and then finds a way to borrow the exact jig , he must still pay because he had a gentlemans agreement with the owner of the Jig.

I am not sure how the individual was confused that the jig was being purchased. I never gleamed that fom the owners comments.

The proper thing to do was tell the whole truth, leaving out crucial info is damb close to lying and in some official circles is as good as lying.

mt 2cents.