Optic for .300 (subsonic to 250 yards)

[grey2112]

So, I'm getting my Whisper built and it will have two barrels - a 16" one for everyday use and for supersonic bullets, and a 9" one for special occasions and for subsonic only.

I'm considering optics, and would like to get some suggestions from you all. Money isn't a huge factor - I believe in "you get what you pay for" when it comes to optics. I own mostly Zeiss Conquest scopes.

Now, would I be doing myself a dis-service if I got anything higher in mag than a 6x? I was considering either a 1-4x or a 1.8-5.5x38 (Zeiss makes one in the Conquest line).

Any other good quality scopes out there that would serve my purposes? I'm looking for something with a fast acquisition at low mag, good light gathering, and up to a 6x magnification for precisions shots out to 250 yards (about the max effective range of a .300 Whisper subsonic with my suppressor).

Thanks!

[grey2112]

Have done a little searching and had an additional question:

Will the 3-9 22 LR Pride Fowler scope work for this application? Is the bullet drop of a .22LR similar out to 200 yards as a subsonic 220 grain .300?

[d-mon]

the 220 gr smk should have a higher point of impact than the 22lr at 200m, at the condition that they are launch at the same speed and same angle (same zero at same distance here).
the 22lr bullet has a Balistic coefficient of arround 0.180, a 220smk is more like 0.500 or 0.600.

I have a leupold vari II 3x9x40 with turrets adjustments and a mildot reticle.

As I do not have enough clicks left over to play with the turrets, I am using the mildot reticle. Center crosshaire for 100m zero, and then each following bottom dot for the rest : 125m, 150m-165m, 190m and 200m.

Clicking is more accurate (on small game the size of rabbits), therefore I am going to change the inclination of my scope to be able to use the turrets.

I suggest that you mount your scope in burris ring with the plastic inserts as you can change inserts to maximise the potential of the turrets of your scope, specialy with 1" scope tube.

Unless you get a 30mm diametre body scope (leupold Long range, IOR, smchmidt and bender, nightforce...)

I hope it will help.

Nick

[Spook]

mueller tacII

[grey2112]

mueller tacII

Wow - that's a LOT of MOA adjustment - 95?

I like the idea of using the mildots as a holdover/BDC, though.

With 95 MOA adjustment, do you think I'd need a 20MOA base, or not?

Too bad anything smaller would require about $1500 - ugh.

Was considering a 4x Zeiss Conquest, but it has a 1" tube, a regular Z-plex reticle, and doesn't have a lot of adjustment for MOA.

[grey2112]

I'm also considering this:

Leupold VX-II Rifle Scope 2-7x 33mm LR Duplex Reticle

This would be about 11 oz, allow me to get custom-made goodies (target turrets calibrated for the load, or even change out the reticle to one of the many Leupold custom reticles). Under $300 especially if I can find one used. Never owned a Leupold, but I assume the glass is good?

[LouBoyd]

If you want a scope with lots of vertical adjsutment the Leupold 16x140 Mk 4 has 140 MOA !!. But it's also over $1000.

For a best buy in a scope with target knobs and good vertical adjustment I highly recommend the Bushnell 3200 series 10x40 mil dot. It has 100 MOA vertical adjustment and weighs under a pound. It has large well marked target knobs with 1/4moa clicks. The best part it's under $200.

I use them on several of my AR15s and 10s.

A also recommoned the Warne Ultra high quick detach scope mounts for use with AR flattops. Available in steel and aluminum, 24.4 and 30mm.

[Rikky Lee]

Nightforce NXS 5 -22x with the MLR reticle - multi-platform perform. 100 MOA vertical.

You need the range of movement in a scope - holding off for mildots rapidly runs out of scope at the longer ranges with the rainbow trajectory. Shoot your loads at the various ranges, record the settings and adjust as required.

[Alleycat]

I've got a 30mm 4.5x14 Leupold with a custom reticle for supersonic and a turret calibrated for subsonic. Leupold will probably do what you need. Pride Fowler is a good scope for the money they work well with the 240s. By the way at 500 yds a 24 inch steel plate makes a nice pop when hit by a 240.......

[TCCrewchief76]

This is what I'm running on my "Crazy Horse" M1A. LOVE IT!!!

http://www.swfa.com/pc-12681-2201-nikon-2-8x32-monarch-riflescope.aspx

Kevin

[Bendersquint]

I am most likely going to put on a Leupy Mark 2 2-14x scope, great glass and a nice price as well.

-B

[grey2112]

OK, here's a question:

Should I go with a custom reticle to account for bullet drop for the 220 SMK subsonics out to 200 yards, and also get custom BDC turrets to account for the supersonic bullets I'll use, or vice-versa? I like the idea of the reticle made for the subsonics, since in a 1" tube I won't have a huge amount of MOA adjustments, but for the supersonic say out to 500 yards I've got to imagine that using a custom BDC turret for clicks I will be good.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong in my assumptions.

Chances are this will be more of a 50-200 yard subsonic rifle, so I like the idea of a fast "go-to" reticle with no clicks needed to get the bullet on target quickly.

[d-mon]

500yds supersonic with a 300 whisper, should be allright if you shoot steel gongs or small varmints, but the bullets performances might be pour on bigger stuff like deers. Imagine a 30-30 performance at that distance!

The reason we go with turrets for subsonic is that you have better accuracy over the distance.

ND

[grey2112]

Hmm - the IOR 2.5-10x42 is starting to look nice - great glass, FFP MP-8 reticle, illuminated, and relatively compact - plus it is about $900 which isn't shabby.

[320pf]

For subsonic use only look into the Pride Fowler rapidreticle. A subsonic 300-221 Fireball has nearly identical ballisitcs as a 22 LR.

http://www.rapidreticle.com/22lr3-9x32.htm

320pf


So, I'm getting my Whisper built and it will have two barrels - a 16" one for everyday use and for supersonic bullets, and a 9" one for special occasions and for subsonic only.

I'm considering optics, and would like to get some suggestions from you all. Money isn't a huge factor - I believe in "you get what you pay for" when it comes to optics. I own mostly Zeiss Conquest scopes.

Now, would I be doing myself a dis-service if I got anything higher in mag than a 6x? I was considering either a 1-4x or a 1.8-5.5x38 (Zeiss makes one in the Conquest line).

Any other good quality scopes out there that would serve my purposes? I'm looking for something with a fast acquisition at low mag, good light gathering, and up to a 6x magnification for precisions shots out to 250 yards (about the max effective range of a .300 Whisper subsonic with my suppressor).

Thanks!

[grey2112]

Seriously? I mean, using a 220 grain SMK subsonic out of a 9" barrel, I'd simply be able to use this $380 Pride-Fowler scope and be pretty close dead-on nuts accurate to 200 yards using the hash-marks?

Wow - hmm, just how nice are the scopes, then? Optics, click repeatability, warranty, low-light performance, etc.?

Looks like a FFP reticle as well - me likey!



For subsonic use only look into the Pride Fowler rapidreticle. A subsonic 300-221 Fireball has nearly identical ballisitcs as a 22 LR.

http://www.rapidreticle.com/22lr3-9x32.htm

320pf

[Alleycat]

I love mine!

[d-mon]

I put a few numbers through the balistic program and that seems to be true. I might get one when I have a bit of cash.
Nick

[grey2112]

I put a few numbers through the balistic program and that seems to be true. I might get one when I have a bit of cash.
Nick

I'm getting, with a 220 SMK, 1050 fps, and a 100 yard zero a 33" drop at 200 yards, but a 48 inch drop from a .22LR at 200 yards - granted, this is with a 50 yard zero on the .22LR, but that's what you are supposed to use when sighting in the Pride Fowler scope so as to be able to use the BDC reticle.

Am I doing something wrong? 33" drop at 200 for the 220 SMK .300 vs. 48 inch drop for the .22LR?

[320pf]

I'm getting, with a 220 SMK, 1050 fps, and a 100 yard zero a 33" drop at 200 yards, but a 48 inch drop from a .22LR at 200 yards - granted, this is with a 50 yard zero on the .22LR, but that's what you are supposed to use when sighting in the Pride Fowler scope so as to be able to use the BDC reticle.

Am I doing something wrong? 33" drop at 200 for the 220 SMK .300 vs. 48 inch drop for the .22LR?

Use a 50yrd zero for the 220 SMK and they will be very close.

320pf

[grey2112]

Use a 50yrd zero for the 220 SMK and they will be very close.

320pf

Ah, gotcha. That would work out great, then, as the center of the reticle on the PF scope is for 50 yards as well.

Hmm, this would mean if I wanted to I could swap the scope back and forth between a .22 rifle and the .300 and they'd be pretty much spot on with no adjustments. Sweet!

That would come in handy on my Pocket Rifle.

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc271/johncrighton/DSCF0008.jpg

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