M9 bayonet SIG marking

[Mister Moon]

.... Actually on ebay : BUCK 188 M9 SIG PHROBIS III PARKERIZED NEW BAYONET


Item number: 220362435023



02/16/2009

[rexmeyer]

Is it a legit M-9? The phrobis markings are on the wrong side, plus there is no made in the usa with the phrobis markings...........Rex

[Mister Moon]

... Made for the STGW 550 , i beleive

[porterkids]

I sent the seller an email a few days ago asking a few specific questions about this bayonet. His one line reply was "It is genuine." I again emailed him saying that I wasn't questioning the authenticity of the piece but was looking for detailed information. I have not heard back from him and with the bid currently sitting at $550 I don't expect that I will.

I have some reservations about this bayonet. I contacted two SIG distributors here in the US trying to find out if this is a genuine SIG accessory. They responded that they have not seen them nor are they avaialble in the catalogs that they have. I currently have an email in to the SIG corporate office and I'm awaiting their response.

The SIG/M9/Phrobis markings are clearly etched on the blade; they were not applied during the manufacturing process but applied at some later time. The bayonet is a Buck 1994 commercial piece. This definitely places it long after any Buck/Phrobis association (that ceased in 1989).

There is a possibility that SIG marked some bayonets to be sold with their rifles. I know they did a small group of them in 1987 and they were shown in the SIG catalog. I will continue to try to get additional information and would welcome any input from others.

[pwcosol]

Perhaps SIG got a deal on some of the last remaining M9 bayonets/parts from BUCK & fabricated a number of them to go with the STGW550. If this can be substantiated it makes for another obscure & interesting M9 variant...

[Mister Moon]

... I think too , there's a little doubt about that M9. I'd put 550 $ on that , but , i beleive i will not put more ... And , personnaly , i don't like the system that use this seller with the User ID kept private with the bidder's ......

Probably i'm wrong in my " way " .... but .. strange and i prefer keep my money for one other bayo ..

Amen. :cool:

[Mister Moon]

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[ColinG]

Porterkids hit my reservations about this bayonet when he stated that the 1994 date of the bayonet was way beyond the contractual relationship between PHROBIS and BUCK. If SIG did acquire a batch of late model, commercial M9s manufactured by BUCK why would they need to add PHROBIS III to it as well as the SIG mark? And if they did what would they have had to do to acquire the right to stamp the PHROBIS mark on the blade? It would seem much less cheaper and easier to simply purchase a batch of BUCK commercial M9s and stamp their own logo or have BUCK supply a batch with the additional SIG markings. It just all doesn't seem right, IMO.

[lee cousens]

Yet another US only auction! whats wrong with the rest of the world?:confused:

[pwcosol]

I may be off the beam here, but that odd "PHROBIS III" marking seems familiar.
I want to say I have seen a similar style marking on some M9 marketed in Asia several years back. Came in a wooden box I think, but I am not positive, since it was at a time I was just becoming familiar w/the MPBS M9...

[nolesfan1]

I have two of the black Buck M-9's and both of them have a "silver" edge from sharpening at the factory. This "sig" model is all black which makes me even more sceptical. Like maybe it was totally refinished or parkerized somewhere else and then engraved. I'm not gonna bite and leave this one for someone else. Just my opinion. Probably a mistake on my part but i guess i will live and learn! Ha!

[porterkids]

I've been known to spend some stupid amounts of money for bayonets that I want. I'm a little hesitant without additional information on this one. I will admit that it is a very good job and it very well could be a authorize SIG accessory. It would be nice to have some confirmation of that. I'd like to know who has bid the thing up to $550 this early in the game. I don't like the hidden bidder thing.

[ColinG]

Also, if it was SIG authorized wouldn't the box that the bayonet came in indicate this somewhere on it? Too many unanswered questions to make this a safe buy.

[porterkids]

Also, if it was SIG authorized wouldn't the box that the bayonet came in indicate this somewhere on it? Too many unanswered questions to make this a safe buy.


No necessarily. The SIG marked 1987 Buck M9 that I got directly from Switzerland was in a standard geen Buck box. If SIG purchased commercial bayonets and marked them I expect they would put them back in the original box.

[porterkids]

When I couldn't locate this bayonet with any of the US SIG distributors I figured I might as well go right to the top. I contacted Sig Sauer directly through their website. It took several days but I heard back from them this morning. According to Mr. Ray Carter at SIG SAUER, Inc this is not a SIG accessory.

So, I'm not sure exactly what it is, but it looks to me like someone did a very fine job of etching a commercial Buck bayonet. I placed a call to the seller last week but only got his voice mail. I left my number with him but did not get a return call. With the information I have on hand I would place this bayonet in the same catagory as the S&W bayonets currently on the market. A nice novelty for $50-100 but certainly not worth more than that.

[Carlo]

One of these days I will etch the words "CARLO'S CONTRACT" on a standard commercial Buck M9 and I will put it for sale on ebay .... just to see how high will go its price .......... :grin:
Back to the topic: to be honest I'm quite worried about this.
Should this be confirmed, how long will it take to have a "chevron" mark added to a second generation, flat top, three line M9??????? :confused::confused:

[porterkids]

You're right Carlo. When these bayonets start to demand prices in excess of $1000 there may be people who try to take advantage of the novice or uneducated collector. The only thing we have going for us is that it would be more difficult to engrave a chevron to look the same as the original stamping on the blade.

[pwcosol]

If the bayonet is a spurious one, and considering it went for a good sum, greed will eventually produce another that magically appears out of the woodwork. I would keep an eye on the seller & see what other unusual items he offers. I failed to mention perhaps a query to one of the Collector Forums dealing with modern assault rifles might shed some light on this M9. I can recall in the 1970s how rare the SIG PE57 bayonet was. You could only get one if you purchased a rifle, and back then a loose bayonet could command about $200.00 (you can buy a fistfull of them for that now)...

[porterkids]

OK, who won the auction?

[Old-Smithy]

I've been known to spend some stupid amounts of money for bayonets that I want. I'm a little hesitant without additional information on this one. I will admit that it is a very good job and it very well could be a authorize SIG accessory. It would be nice to have some confirmation of that. I'd like to know who has bid the thing up to $550 this early in the game. I don't like the hidden bidder thing.

Been in the same position, if this was a genuine article I am surprised that no one on this forum especially Bill has ever seen or heard about it. I just wonder if "Sigmund" knows how much his blade is going for :nanabang:

[porterkids]

I sent another email to Sig Sauer headquarters asking if this could be an accessory from the 1994-95 time period. I just this morning received a reply. It read "We have no information on them. I would check with Buck".

I'll run it by Joe Houser at Buck and see if he can shed any light on the situation. I seriously doubt that Buck would have produced an M9 bayonet with the Phrobis name on it.

[ColinG]

I think it is interesting that there was no last minute/second biddings. The bayonet reached the $580 mark fairly fast and normally when an item reaches that price, that fast you have last minute bids that take it a hundred or two higher. This might indicate that those bidding may have read these threads and wised up. Might have saved somebody a lot of money!

[porterkids]

Yes, perhaps. Now the big question, will the buyer fess up to it? Who bought the SIG M9?