300 Whisper Subsonic Deer Load?

[DENALI]

Anyone have a load for a 300 whisper that would be subsonic and provide adequate bullet expansion to use for short range on deer sized game. Thanks

[Malaga]

None of the subsonic loads offer expansion.. you would be much better served with supersonic ballistic tipped round for this purpose...

[DENALI]

None of the subsonic loads offer expansion.. you would be much better served with supersonic ballistic tipped round for this purpose...

Surely there is something out there. Looking for short range less than 100 yards. Thanks

[nwcid]

I have heard good things about the Hornday 220gr RN bullet. I have not tried it yet but there is someone that will be along soon.

[Rikky Lee]

Check on the current posts about the 220 RN. The key to subsonic success is tumbling the bullet end over end after a few inches to produce a 1.5 inch plus tear and blood sign.

[egraham]

I have had the best results and accuracy from 208 grain hornady amax's.

[DENALI]

how about this http://www.corbins.com/subsonic.htm

[DENALI]

how about this.....

http://www.corbins.com/subsonic.htm

[HUNTER2]

FYI - Richard of Wildcatbullets was working on an expansion bullet, but has sold the company. The new owners contacted me today ans said they would be up and running by mid summer, hopefully with the 300 whisper bullet. There is still hope!

[Rikky Lee]

The following quote from a New Zealand web site sums the Whisper up nicely (http://home.xtra.co.nz/hosts/suppress/whisper.htm):

The payload for the subsonic .300 Whisper ammunition is preferably in the 240-250 grain weight. Using anything under 220 grains is a waste of time as both energy & "yawing" effect diminish quickly with lighter projectiles. Considering the approximately 1040fps bullet speed needed for subsonic load only the projectile's weight can create sufficient energy. The "yawing" refers to the tumbling of these long 240 & 250 grain projectiles immediately after impact - a major part of the Whisper concept, disreguarded or misunderstood by many. While they are stable in flight, even a cardboard target clearly shows the tendency of these bullets to tumble on impact, thus creating wounds far in excess of their "paper" ballistics. It is futile to look for the magic bullet that expands or mushrooms at subsonic speed - such a thing in a .30 cal sectional density doesn't exist, nor will experiments with cast lead projectiles lead to greatly improved result.

However, a hard & solid 240 grain Sierra Matchking turning over lengthwise is equivalent to a seven times calibre expansion! These high ballistic coefficient projectiles retain energy as well as sub MOE accuracy out to 200 yards & more. While the bullet leaves the muzzle at 1040 fps, at 100 yards it loses only 3%, travelling at 1011fps & at 200 yards it still keeps on motoring with a solid 984fps. As velocity is retained, so is the energy; muzzle 576 ft/ibls, 100 yards 544 ft/lbs & 200 yards 517 ft/lbs. Only beyond 250 yards does the energy start to drop below the 500 ft/lbs mark.

[HUNTER2]

Granted - "IF" they tumble you get a massive hole. But they don't always do that! My experience is they do tumble if a bone is hit! Otherwise, you had better be able to see them (deer) for a long ways. Besides, if we weren't always trying to experiment and make things better, we would have stayed with the old front stuffers......

[Rikky Lee]

Such is the nature of all hunting though. What I know and have seen is that a heavy FMJ or match projectile through the heart/lung area will kill efficiently without disturbing other game in the vicinity too much and in much the same way as an arrow does. I had one hit where the target actually went back to eating grass before falling over stone cold dead. This was using the 200 grain Lapua subsonic projectile.

I've have also used the 180 grain BT style bullets to get some expansion and kinetic energy dump.

All I know is that I would not like to be hit but a 240 grainer at any velocity!

[m21black]

Forget about expansion... I shoot deer with the 240 grain SMK traveling 1050 FPS (+/-) kills em dead... I use the 7 1/2 Rem BR primers with 9.2 grains of h 110. They usally walk a few feet and check out... the bullet tends to yawl over pretty consistantly with heart lung shots...