Favorite bullet for supersonic hunting?

[A62Rambler]

What are your favorite bullets for deer hunting in the 300-221 with supersonic bullets. Just curious to see what people are using.

[Pitt300]

Another consideration is the Sierra 125g 30-30 bullet #2020.
I get about 1 1/2" groups w/18.4g of H110 @ 2150 fps.
I hunt hogs & Sierra recommended these bullets as we're shooting about 30-30 velocities & these will open up, stay together & penetrate.
Not as accurate or flat shooting as the others but a good option for "heavier/thicker" animals.

[cav_scout_tj]

I think the Barnes *tipped* triple shock is the one you mean, but that only comes in 130gr and up.

I have not shot any animals with them yet, but the 110 Vmax make a nice slug in my test media (jugs). It will be the first one I'll test.

[A62Rambler]

Cav Scout,
You are correct. I didn't even notice that I put it as a 125g bullet. It should read 130g. Botched that one.:o

[320pf]

For large deer I would consider bullets in the 150 to 180 gr weight. I also think that some of the Berger bullets in the 110 -180 gr range would also make this list.

It is such a problem.... so many bullets to choose from. :smile:


320pf

[cav_scout_tj]

I did see this, they shoot some bullets at 300 whisper velocity. Barnes did not expand as much as I would like:
Bullet Shoot Out (http://www.gunsandhunting.com/Extraordinary.html)

[abyssdncr]

Favorite for me is the 155 gr. Hornady Amax. Was getting 1950 fps out of a 16" 1/8 twist barrel using chopped 223 cases. Two shots two deer that didn't make it 30 yds. One at 45 yds, one at 217 yds - still got the tip to expand on the long shot.

[JFettig]

I'm currently in the process of deciding myself, I have a 10.5" and can get 125s up to 2000fps and 155s up to 1750. I don't want something thats gonna fragment real bad and make a big mess and not penetrate deep enough to fragment in the right spot(heart/lungs). I'm considering cutting down some 150gr 30-30 barnes to 125gr and tip them so they feed.

Any recomendations?

Jon

[cav_scout_tj]

I'm currently in the process of deciding myself, I have a 10.5" and can get 125s up to 2000fps and 155s up to 1750. I don't want something thats gonna fragment real bad and make a big mess and not penetrate deep enough to fragment in the right spot(heart/lungs). I'm considering cutting down some 150gr 30-30 barnes to 125gr and tip them so they feed.

Any recomendations?

Jon

Before you start cutting and tipping, try 130gr Tipped TSX (http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=392754&t=11082005) The question is can you get enough velocity to expand?

100gr Barnes Flat tip (http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=391771&t=11082005)
This is the bullet Corbon uses in their 30 Carbine:
http://www.midwayusa.com/midwayusa/staticpages/highres/553131.jpg

Its a balancing act. I shot some bullets out of my 9.5" whisper into old computer books. The 110Vmax got mangled pretty good. The 150gr CT penetrated the most, but jacket and core separated.

I think a 125 Bonded bullet would work well, I want to try the 150 Nosler Accubond, or 150 Hornady Interbond.

[JFettig]

that .30 carb bullet might show some potential! I could probably get that cooking up to 2200fps. I'd probably tip it for a higher BC and for feeding(tips do nothing for expansion).

from the article linked above, I don't think the 130 barnes ttsx is the right option. I'd be able to hit 2000fps max with that bullet.

Jon

[cav_scout_tj]

Tipped barnes 30 carbine bullet... I like it. Let us know how the testing goes. With a pretty short barrel too, I'd be interested in some.

I did shoot the barnes 150 30-30 bullet into water jugs, and it made a great mushroom. Too bad barnes doesnt make anything in between. Actually the 130 TSX (no tip) might be a good place to start, and drill out a bigger hollow point, and then put a tip in there. Might end up with a good weight.

[JFettig]

Its just too bad they are so expensive!

I'll be making these tips out of Delrin(Acetal) plastic, CNC turned. Hopefully they work well.

I should probably put in an order for some of these bullets.

Jon

[Pitt300]

Sierra makes a 125g 30-30 flat nose bullet that is their recommendation for hog/deer hunting w/300 W velocities as they are close to 30-30 velocities.
These bullets are designed to open up but stay together @ these velocities.
Give them a try-they feed ok thru my gun.


.308 dia. (.30-30) 125 gr. HP/FN Pro-Hunter 2020 Rifle

[JFettig]

Pitt300, Do those flat nose bullets feed in an AR?
Some of my hollow point bullets that I made had big noses and did not want to feed in mine.

I have some of those 30 carbine Barnes bullets on order(only 50) and they shoudl be here Thurs or Fri, I might get a chance to make tips. Does anyone want any tips for these? They'd be black delrin
I noticed that the BC on midwayusa is more than double the BC from the Barnes website, hopefully these tips will bring it up and hopefully I can get 2200fps out of my 10.5" barrel.

Jon

[Pitt300]

They feed fine in mine & group well.

[JFettig]

I have 50 of those barnes 30 carbine bullets in front of me.They measure .755" long, cavity is .120" flat to flat on the inside and about the same from corner to corner(its a hex). The cavity is .375" deep. The outside diameter(of what the tip will be) is about .170".

I'll have to find somthing to measure the radius on it. it doesn't seem to be all that large(.75-1").

Jon

[cav_scout_tj]

I have 50 of those barnes 30 carbine bullets in front of me.They measure .755" long, cavity is .120" flat to flat on the inside and about the same from corner to corner(its a hex). The cavity is .375" deep. The outside diameter(of what the tip will be) is about .170".

I'll have to find somthing to measure the radius on it. it doesn't seem to be all that large(.75-1").

Jon

Good info. Pics with and without the tip would be great.

I'd love to take 10 off your hands to test with. then maybe a bunch of tips...

[Carphunter]

Stupid question for you guys... would 300w subsonic work for hunting? I understand you try to get a heavier bullet to tumble/etc rather than expand, but I don't know how clean a kill it makes.

Just wondering (because this would also make me wonder then if a suppressed 300w would be an ok deer gun to say 150 yds or so)

[Pitt300]

I'm hog hunting tonight w/subsonic 220s.
They can be very deadly & quick killing if placed properly.
In TX I cannot hunt game animals (deer/turkey) w/suppressor but if I go back to our farm in TN this year I may take Whisper because there I can kill deer w/suppressed firearm & I can harvest 3 doe a day for every day of the season (2 bucks total).

[wld1783]

I hunt with a TC 44 mag.

My son hunts with my 300 Whisper AR with a 180 grain powerpoint on 14.0 gr of H110.

About 1500-1600FPS enough power for the woods we hunt. Shots are less than 100 yards.

BTW no kick a 13 year old can handel it, and history has proven that the 180 Gr .357 is an adequate deer round. Best bang for the buck.

Yes the .458 socom would be better but he's not ready for it yet and a lot more per shot.

Bill

[d-mon]

C'est pour quoi faire ce programme?

ND

[yardbart]

I use 125 gr nosler partition

[320pf]

Has anybody used Speer 125 TNTs on deer. If so how did they work out?

320pf

[Rikky Lee]

Time for a new poll I think. Can we set one up for the favorite bullet for subsonic hunting?

240 SMK
220 SMK
200 Lapua subsonic

Need another three to choose from....

208 A-Max

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[GaryM]

125gr Sierra gameking it will shoot 1moa but I am not happy with the terminal ballistics. I am looking at other bullets and trying to decide what to try next.
BTW, It might not be the bullet, it could very well be me that is the problem.

[txjm]

I have been trying out both on hogs. So far I haven't got anything but head/neck shots with the Nosler. I have had good result with those shots. I am concerned with shoulder or heart lung shots with the Nosler on big hogs. I have taken 3 large hogs with the Pro Hunter. All 3 DRT. One neck, one in high shoulder out ribs and one angling from rear and out chest. Seemed to have way better penetration than the NBT. I started with the nbt and am now a PH convert for hogs. Both of mine shoot almost exactly the same point of impact out to 250 so I may use NBT for deer and PH for hogs. Both shoot sub moa.
I would also like to hear about how the speers and the barnes work on deer and hogs.

JM

[alorton]

I was looking at the list of bullets in the poll and the one that makes the most sense to me is the 125gr Nosler BT. It has been used extensively in handgun hunting and proven to be effective at lower velocities. That said, I'm just repeating what I've read as I haven't even loaded any for my 300/221 yet.

What I found interesting was the interest in the V-Max and TNT. Aren't they varmint bullets? If so, wouldn't that limit penetration too much for deer sized game? If I'm wrong please fill me in, I'm very interested in expanding my 300/221 from just subsonic suppressed use into a workhorse with good lethal hunting/personal defense type rounds.

[Rikky Lee]

I think I posted in this thread or another similar that 130 Barnes and 125 Nosler BT are doing great work at the lower supersonic ranges available to the Whisper and similiar. The varmint type bullets also act "differently" at lower fps.

But it is hard to beat the Nosler 125s as a general go to projectile in the Whisper and the 30BR.

[alorton]

Could you expand on how they act "differently" at lower velocity?

I've been curious about this for some time, actually, and asked this question about the 110gr V-Max on ar15.com but didn't get much useful info. I know that Hornady uses the 110gr V-Max in their .308 TAP line but reports have indicated that it only penetrates 10" (not the 12" minimum recommended by the FBI).

I wondered if slowing it down to Whisper velocities would decrease the violence in the fragmentation and actually make it penetrate a few more inches yet still yield a good wound channel. Do you have any experience testing this bullet in the Whisper?

[Alleycat]

The light bullets are designed to expand violently in a velocity window. So for the 125 Nosler BT, 3000 fps will open it up quickly. At 2300 fps it acts like a premium controlled expansion bullet. There will be less frontal surface area so they out penetrate the bullets that are running 3000 to 3300 fps.

[Pitt300]

Sierra makes a 125g 30-30 bullet that they actually recommend for the 300W.
It has a flat nose & is designed to expand in this velocity range.
Accuracy is also pretty good w/in 125-150 yards

[alorton]

Alleycat, I've heard that the 125gr Nosler performs quite well at the lower velocity. I'm curious if anyone has done gel testing on the 110gr V-Max at lower velocity. I thought it would be a really good performer at the lower velocity. I've seen gel testing with it at .308 speeds and it just didn't penetrate quite enough but I've wondered for some time if it might be a great fit for the Whisper. I haven't found any testing and when I asked on AR15.com nobody else had either.

Pitt300, those Sierras have a pretty flat nose with alot of lead exposed. Will they function well in an AR?

[Pitt300]

They run fine thru my M1S
Not as accurate as some of others but I seem to recall they were around 1" @ 100 yds

[rsilvers]

Nosler is available now loaded:

http://www.300blktalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=156&t=78368

[Pitt300]

Ron
Glad to see you are still R&D at AAC
I have 7.62SD, M4-1000 & Aviator.
Is AAC still warranting the Aviator if I fill it up with lead?
Thx and keep up the good work.

[Bill G]

Any one tried the 160gn hornady FTX? I was looking at this, but unfortunately it shoots six inches high and six inches to the right of my 240gn SMK's. I'm after subsonic and supersonic loads that would shoot to the same POI or at least in a vertical line. I shoot red deer over here and they are a fairly big deer, they would be between your elk and mule deer, so the bigger the projie the better.

[Pitt300]

My 220g subs print exactly 12" under my 125g supers.
I've had good groups with 150g Winchester PSPs.
Would guess they're about 10" over the subs.
125 & 220 are perfectly vertical as I recall.
P