Reducing length of existing barrel...

[too_many_hobbies]

My 300 Fireball is dedicated to subsonic ammunition and is never used without the sound suppressor. After predator season ends this month, I plan to have the barrel shortened to reduce the overall length of the weapon to make it more convienent to get through the woods, to transport, and to improve the balance. It presently has a 16" Olympic Arms barrel. The functioning gas block is actually beneath the hand guard. The one seen in the picture beyond the hand guard is fake. I plan to do away with it during the barrel shortening process.

What reduced length is recommended (10.5", etc.)? Any disadvantages to a shorter barrel? Will the gas port have to be relocated after the barrel is cut off? I am familiar with applying for a tax stamp for a sound suppressor. Any details to applying for a short barrel rifle? Can I go ahead and apply now so I will have the permit by the time I get the barrel back from the gunsmith?

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[cav_scout_tj]

What reduced length is recommended (10.5", etc.)? Any disadvantages to a shorter barrel? Will the gas port have to be relocated after the barrel is cut off? I am familiar with applying for a tax stamp for a sound suppressor. Any details to applying for a short barrel rifle? Can I go ahead and apply now so I will have the permit by the time I get the barrel back from the gunsmith?



According to the ATF, you MUST submit and receive back your Form 1 to Make a Short Barreled Rifle before you possess the parts to make a short barreled rifle. So if you are gonna do an SBR, start that first so that can go through the ATF pipe while figure out what length you want a get the smith to work on your barrel. You will also need to get your lower engraved as part of the SBR process, and that takes time too to send off and stuff.

How long is up to you, you can get up to max subsonic in a pretty short distance. 10" is a good number, you could go a little shorter or a little longer. I think around 7" is the shortest you can go and still get the gas system to function.

I have a 9.5" 300 whisper barrel on order, it should be on a lathe about now. I already have a registered SBR with a 10.5" 5.56 barrel. The 5.56 runs great. I can't say the 300 mine runs yet, but I'll post when I get it put together. I went with a .100 gas port and adjustable block.

You will probably want a pistol position gas port-- if you dont already have one.

[320pf]

I would not cut that barrel. I would get another barrel and have that one cut

If you are looking for a good price on a barrel, I would order one from Tony at Del-Ton. The last time I talked with Tony (Del-Ton) his barrels are 16-in. and cost ~$180... Cut the barrel to 10-10.5 in. and move the gas port to the pistol position. The Olympic Arm gas port is about 0.5" closer to the chamber than the standard pistol position. But I would go with the gas port in the standard pistol position.

320pf

[WhisperFan]

What reduced length is recommended (10.5", etc.)?
I like a 10.5" Whisper. I started out with a RRA 'pistol only' AR in 223. Since it was an AR pistol, I was obviously allowed to have the shorter than 16" pistol length barrel on it. I bought a M1 Sales carbine length 300/221 upper for it.

Any disadvantages to a shorter barrel?
None I can think of - especially if you plan to keep it as a dedicated subsonic firearm.

Will the gas port have to be relocated after the barrel is cut off?
I also wanted to shorten my barrel to 10.5" after I SBR'd my RRA lower. I moved my gas port to a pistol length position for this modification.

I am familiar with applying for a tax stamp for a sound suppressor. Any details to applying for a short barrel rifle? Can I go ahead and apply now so I will have the permit by the time I get the barrel back from the gunsmith?
The rule of thumb is that if you have the ability to assemble what you own into a legal configuration - you are OK. In other words, if you have a short barreled upper, but you do not own an AR pistol or an SBR (or MG), you have no way to assemble that upper into a legal firearm. If you own that upper and a Title 1 rifle lower, the ATF can assert that you are in 'constructive possession' of an unregistered SBR.
Now - if you have an SBR, an AR machinegun, or an AR pistol, you can own as many short uppers as you desire. You are allowed to have more of them than you have lowers to mount them on. As I understand it, you don't have to have enough parts to assemble them all at once into legal configurations, but you do have to be able to mate each upper to a lower one at a time and keep them legal.

Now - if you have a friend or relative that does not own any AR lower at all, they are allowed to own a short barreled upper, since that upper is not the registered part and is not (by itself a firearm) they are not in possession of anything other than 'gun parts'

Lastly, in regards to engraving your name, city and state on your lower: Many people are of the mind that they do this in advance of the Form 1. The reasons are that there is no law that states that you can't engrave your firearm with your name, city and state (even if it is not an NFA firearm.) That way, before you get your Form 1 approved, the receiver is a Title 1 firearm. Since it is not an NFA firearm, it does not fall under the provisions of the NFA in regards to shipping. If the engraver screws it up, you haven't already sunk your 200.00 into it. If you have to ship it somewhere else for re-finishing, that's cool too. Lastly, if (God forbid) it gets lost, you aren't looking for an NFA firearm and you aren't out your 200.00

Then - once the engraved receiver comes back and is in your hands, you can file your Form 1 and once approved, it never needs to leave your hands again.


Remember - the engraving needs to be no smaller than 1/16" high and no less than .003" deep. Many people think that the laser engravers are not deep enough. I used stamps and stamped mine - but often the finish will flake if you use stamps - then you really need to refinish it.

Hope that all helps

[AlcoholicusMaximus]

I am waiting for my form 1 to come back.I planned on having my model 1 .300 fireball cut & threaded @ 10.5", but would rather just buy a new barrel set up that way. The ATF person I spoke with said that the engraving was to be on the barrel. Noveske Rifleworks has a new 3 position gasblock for suppressed weapons that is making me think twice about my next barrel purchase

[steezo757]

I am waiting for my form 1 to come back.I planned on having my model 1 .300 fireball cut & threaded @ 10.5", but would rather just buy a new barrel set up that way. The ATF person I spoke with said that the engraving was to be on the barrel. Noveske Rifleworks has a new 3 position gasblock for suppressed weapons that is making me think twice about my next barrel purchase

I was hoping they would make an adjustable gb. But I'm not sure it'll work for me. Per the pic below, it doesn't look like it'll fit underneath a FF handguard. Most people with .300 Whisper/FB barrels have a pistol length gas system. That'll require us to use pistol length FFs.

Someone sent me a PM earlier in the week about having a custom adjustable gas block made. I'll probably persue that ave.

http://www.noveskerifleworks.com/logo/switchblock-450.jpg

[Spook]

totally off topic....where are you that they allow you hunt with a suppressor?

[too_many_hobbies]

totally off topic....where are you that they allow you hunt with a suppressor?

I am in Arkansas. From what I have read, we can hunt with machine guns also.

It is so nice to not have to wear hearing protection while hunting. I am tone deaf from driving a farm tractor without a cab during my younger days and therefore want to preserve what hearing I have left.

[A62Rambler]

totally off topic....where are you that they allow you hunt with a suppressor?


Straying from topic, I'm in Kentucky and I just today received an email that states it is legal to hunt with a supresser and/or short barreled rifle. We can't hunt with fully automatic weapons however.

On the original topic, I am building a 12" upper to use for hunting suppressed. I think in your situation, by the time you have the barrel shortened and threaded again for the suppressor, and move the gas port you will be close to the price of a new barrel with those features. Having said that, I also know that spare parts laying around tend to grow into whole uppers eventually. :grin: So it's your choice. I going with the 12" to get a little more velocity but to keep the lenght short with the suppressor attached. I can't wait to show up in the woods with that during deer season. :grin: Depending on the type of your suppressor there may be some considerations as well. Some suppressors fit back over the barrel and require enough barrel to fit. Additionally, some companies don't warrant their suppressors for barrels shorter than a certain length. If neither of those two situations apply then it comes down to how much velocity loss you are comfortable loosing as to how short you go. :uzi2:

[Garrett]

totally off topic....where are you that they allow you hunt with a suppressor?
Hunting with suppressors is legal in Utah, too. Can't use machineguns on large game, but they're okay on small game. A suppressed SMG is great for jackrabbits and other rodents. :uzi2:

[AlcoholicusMaximus]

No full auto hunting in Ark? That's too bad...... in Oregon we can use full auto,grenades & the smaller mortar rounds.....NOT.
But seriously, the Noveske adjustable gas block is currently only functional with certain lengths of 5.56 AR's ,last I heard.
Under the handguard would be nice, but I am very excited about the prospect of being able to cycle both sub&non subsonic rds. thru the same 10.5" upper,which has not been built yet. My optimism forces me to fantasize of such things.
Giraffe knife season in the coast range should be over by the time my form 1 gets here........